fully prepared to be flamed,

[pedroh 21]

Keltic, I don't see how it will affect anyone else. It will give a bunch of Mexicans work visas. That's not going to hurt anyone's process or anyone's personal life.

now, that is true.. again, i dont see a direct relationship between giving h1b visas to some dudes and the family visa procedures

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

It will give a bunch of Mexicans work visas. That's not going to hurt anyone's process or anyone's personal life.

Miss Liss,

It can affect process by diverting USCIS resources.

It can affect personal lives in many ways, positive and negative. A spouse who is an illegal alien may become legal and it will positively impact the USC's life. They can buy a house together, etc.

[john_and_marlene 162]

Maybe you'd be a bit more understanding if you were living in a poor country with very high unemployment, no chance for a decent living and no legal path that offerred any true hope to rise up out of poverty. For many people there is no legal option -- they are denied immigration -- they are not offerred a legal alternative -- there is no process they can go through even in 50 years that will allow them to do so. I'm not saying I condone their actions -- I just try to understand them. How many here on VJ would have no legal path to immigration if not for the rules for marriage-based immigration?

[Mirorgate 0]

Keltic, I don't see how it will affect anyone else. It will give a bunch of Mexicans work visas. That's not going to hurt anyone's process or anyone's personal life.

Except here in Denver. Especially the policemans family, who has to get along without their father/husband because an illegal was drinking and being disruptive at a private party. He left, came back, and shot the cop dead on the spot.

Good that this will help out your petition some. Bad that it won't filter out and do background checks on everyone to ensure they are not hiding from a criminal past (the above person did have violent past in home town back in mexico)

Is everyone like the above? No. Is everyone elses case like yours? Absolutely not. Do I favor an amnesty? No, it will only encourage more abuse down the line. Don't believe so? Look at the increase in numbers since Reagan gave one to the before and after effects.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Maybe you'd be a bit more understanding if you were living in a poor country with very high unemployment, no chance for a decent living and no legal path that offerred any true hope to rise up out of poverty. For many people there is no legal option -- they are denied immigration -- they are not offerred a legal alternative -- there is no process they can go through even in 50 years that will allow them to do so. I'm not saying I condone their actions -- I just try to understand them. How many here on VJ would have no legal path to immigration if not for the rules for marriage-based immigration?

The poverty argument is a canard. Mexico isn't poor compared to a lot of other countries, like India.

[pedroh 21]

true.. true

2 pwns for agent smith..

[john_and_marlene 162]

Maybe you'd be a bit more understanding if you were living in a poor country with very high unemployment, no chance for a decent living and no legal path that offerred any true hope to rise up out of poverty. For many people there is no legal option -- they are denied immigration -- they are not offerred a legal alternative -- there is no process they can go through even in 50 years that will allow them to do so. I'm not saying I condone their actions -- I just try to understand them. How many here on VJ would have no legal path to immigration if not for the rules for marriage-based immigration?

The poverty argument is a canard. Mexico isn't poor compared to a lot of other countries, like India.

I was addressing the attitude about illegal immigration in general. I wasn't actually thinking about Mexico.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Maybe you'd be a bit more understanding if you were living in a poor country with very high unemployment, no chance for a decent living and no legal path that offerred any true hope to rise up out of poverty. For many people there is no legal option -- they are denied immigration -- they are not offerred a legal alternative -- there is no process they can go through even in 50 years that will allow them to do so. I'm not saying I condone their actions -- I just try to understand them. How many here on VJ would have no legal path to immigration if not for the rules for marriage-based immigration?

The poverty argument is a canard. Mexico isn't poor compared to a lot of other countries, like India.

I was addressing the attitude about illegal immigration in general. I wasn't actually thinking about Mexico.

50-60% of illegals come from Mexico, a nation that is not "poor".

Therefore, the poverty argument is BS.

[john_and_marlene 162]

Maybe you'd be a bit more understanding if you were living in a poor country with very high unemployment, no chance for a decent living and no legal path that offerred any true hope to rise up out of poverty. For many people there is no legal option -- they are denied immigration -- they are not offerred a legal alternative -- there is no process they can go through even in 50 years that will allow them to do so. I'm not saying I condone their actions -- I just try to understand them. How many here on VJ would have no legal path to immigration if not for the rules for marriage-based immigration?

The poverty argument is a canard. Mexico isn't poor compared to a lot of other countries, like India.

I was addressing the attitude about illegal immigration in general. I wasn't actually thinking about Mexico.

50-60% of illegals come from Mexico, a nation that is not "poor".

Therefore, the poverty argument is BS.

You trying to tell me my point is about Mexico is BS.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Maybe you'd be a bit more understanding if you were living in a poor country with very high unemployment, no chance for a decent living and no legal path that offerred any true hope to rise up out of poverty. For many people there is no legal option -- they are denied immigration -- they are not offerred a legal alternative -- there is no process they can go through even in 50 years that will allow them to do so. I'm not saying I condone their actions -- I just try to understand them. How many here on VJ would have no legal path to immigration if not for the rules for marriage-based immigration?

The poverty argument is a canard. Mexico isn't poor compared to a lot of other countries, like India.

I was addressing the attitude about illegal immigration in general. I wasn't actually thinking about Mexico.

50-60% of illegals come from Mexico, a nation that is not "poor".

Therefore, the poverty argument is BS.

You trying to tell me my point is about Mexico is BS.

If you use an argument to justify illegal immigration, that argument can only be valid if it applies to Mexico.

[pax 0]

If we really cared about using immigration to eliminate poverty, we would be picking up 777s full of Nigerians and Congolese five days a week.

[john_and_marlene 162]

Maybe you'd be a bit more understanding if you were living in a poor country with very high unemployment, no chance for a decent living and no legal path that offerred any true hope to rise up out of poverty. For many people there is no legal option -- they are denied immigration -- they are not offerred a legal alternative -- there is no process they can go through even in 50 years that will allow them to do so. I'm not saying I condone their actions -- I just try to understand them. How many here on VJ would have no legal path to immigration if not for the rules for marriage-based immigration?

The poverty argument is a canard. Mexico isn't poor compared to a lot of other countries, like India.

I was addressing the attitude about illegal immigration in general. I wasn't actually thinking about Mexico.

50-60% of illegals come from Mexico, a nation that is not "poor".

Therefore, the poverty argument is BS.

You trying to tell me my point is about Mexico is BS.

If you use an argument to justify illegal immigration, that argument can only be valid if it applies to Mexico.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

If we really cared about using immigration to eliminate poverty, we would be picking up 777s full of Nigerians and Congolese five days a week.

Bingo.

If anything, the diverty visa did help citizens of some truly poor countries come to the US. Citizens of Bangladesh and Nigeria, two truly poor nations, have always been among the top recipients of the diversity visa.

But of course, they are talking about eliminating THAT visa category in favor of guest worker visas which will mostly go to Mexican workers.

This isn't about poverty at all.

[pax 0]

Exactly. The lovefest for Mexican illegals is purely because of the land border. Favoring Mexican illegals over other, perhaps poorer potential immigrants is cheap.

[keltic 1]

and again, none of this addresses the fact that the source of the problem needs to be fixed... otherwise, there will just be more and more illegals produced... just how many illegal immigrants can this country take? and just how much exploitation here will they be willing to take in the long run?

seriously, its is not a lack of understanding... i just dont see running away from a problem as a solution... if there is a bleed in a body... you can keep pumping blood into it endlessly, but you wont fix it unless you find the source of the bleeding and repair it... likewise, until the source of the problem (corrupt, uncaring govts in other nations) is fixed, the side effects will just continue and get worse... that means not just illegals, but the crime there, the poverty there... running away from it to another country will not CHANGE the conditions of their original country... should we try to fit all the ppl of the earth here within our borders to try to make their lives easier?