NVC Records Question

[Jason and May 79]

Hi all, 

 

We finally were able to submit May's DS-260 tonight. Because she was in jail in Jordan due to an overstay in 2018, we checked yes to the question on the 260 regarding whether you've "ever been arrested for any offense or crime" or convicted even if later pardoned, etc.

 

We now see in the civil document requirements that court and prison records are missing. I'm assuming they must be uploaded before her NVC file will be reviewed, and I'm assuming this was triggered by us checking yes to that question...? However, there are no court or prison documents, and she has her certificate of no criminal conviction from Jordan, which she will upload under the police certificate tab (PCCs are indicated by the DoS as unavailable, so we're going with the CNCC).  

 

So, I'm unsure whether this civil document category is going to be problematic and her NVC file will just sit indefinitely because we have no records to upload for prison or criminal offenses...? 

Any feedback on this? 

[Redro 4,611]

Write a letter explaining the situation (no paperwork exists). 

Hopefully that will suffice at NVC stage. 

Then see if you can get something from Jordan stating the same for the interview. 

Does she have any deportation orders or paperwork showing how the issue was resolved? 

I might also upload the CNCC as part of the court/prison records statement. 

 

[Jason and May 79]

1 hour ago, Redro said:

Write a letter explaining the situation (no paperwork exists). 

Hopefully that will suffice at NVC stage. 

Then see if you can get something from Jordan stating the same for the interview. 

Does she have any deportation orders or paperwork showing how the issue was resolved? 

I might also upload the CNCC as part of the court/prison records statement. 

 

Thank you for your input! 

 

The Department of State site indicates PCCs are unavailable for Jordan, so, my understanding is a PCC is not required. We’ll see what NVC says though. 😬

 

For the “prison/court records,” we are trying to get whatever the equivalent of the police report might be from Amman to show why she was in jail. I am hoping we can also get something that indicates the resolution of her issue, if possible. She said she never went to court, and the CNCC would I think be sufficient evidence there was no criminality. 

 

A woman at the Jordanian consulate has been (somewhat slowly) working with May to try to get a police report. But since May’s phone was stolen, they have been unable to talk via phone. Someone from the Jordanian consulate just called her mother for May yesterday, but her mom is in Pasig right now. Evidently her mom told the woman May was not with her at the moment, and the woman said, “Have her call me next week.” I asked May, “Who called your mom?” She said, “The consulate,” which became circular questioning. “Yes, but who called your mom? How will you know who to call?”

 

That part of marriage and this process is frustrating…. Why would Mom not ask for particulars for the call back for Pete’s sake.  Why? Because it’s not Mom’s business and she didn’t want to get involved in something not her business. 😐

 

About as inconvenient as things can get at the moment. I’m sending her a new phone Saturday. 

 

I think while waiting for her Qatar PCC, we will write a letter clarifying there are no prison or court records because she was never in court and never in prison, as her removal from Jordan was not criminal in nature, as evidenced by her certificate of no criminal conviction. And also while awaiting her Qatar PCC, we will continue to try to get something official that indicates why she was in jail and the issue of her deportation. There must be something; but trying to get someone to understand what you’re looking for and why you need it has been like sorcery. It’s like mind boggling to them how to obtain documentation. 😵

 

So many OFWs are deported from Jordan yearly for overstays, surely some of them must be immigrants to the U.S. at some point. I don’t understand how they navigate this process. Maybe they don’t check yes to being arrested. We just wanted to be as transparent as possible to avoid issues down the road. 

[Jason and May 79]

I’m thinking once we upload her CNCC from Jordan and a letter indicating there were no criminal convictions and no prison, it will likely suffice (hopefully). Because the tab states “criminal court and prison records,” and deportation is generally a civil matter, not involving criminal court. 

 

Something from the consul or embassy with a wet signature stating the same sure would be helpful, though, I think. Along with some record on her deportation. 

 

Edited July 21, 2023 by milimelo
PII info listed

[Redro 4,611]

Best practice for NVC (imo) if they request something and you don’t have it- upload a letter explaining the situation 

Even when there is an indication about how something is not available… I’ve seen some members have issues because they follow the instructions but the reviewer clearly hasn’t… 

So, I would upload a letter explaining PCC is not available but you received the CNCC in its place… (for Jordan police check section)

[Jason and May 79]

22 minutes ago, Redro said:

Best practice for NVC (imo) if they request something and you don’t have it- upload a letter explaining the situation 

Even when there is an indication about how something is not available… I’ve seen some members have issues because they follow the instructions but the reviewer clearly hasn’t… 

So, I would upload a letter explaining PCC is not available but you received the CNCC in its place… (for Jordan police check section)

I appreciate you sharing this. We will do this.  Thank you for helping out here. ☺️🤙🏾

[milimelo 4,481]

~Attachment with full name removed. Do yourself a favor and don't have all your beneficiary's PII out on the web.~

[Jason and May 79]

1 hour ago, milimelo said:

~Attachment with full name removed. Do yourself a favor and don't have all your beneficiary's PII out on the web.~

I don’t feel uncomfortable with her full name on VJ, or I wouldn’t have posted the attachment. In terms of personally identifiable information, a name is rather unconcerning for either of us. Though, after 18 years as a sex offender agent, I understand your school of thought. 

 

That said, as a mod, I appreciate your thoughts, and thank you for attempting to look out for her wellbeing and share your thoughts on internet safety and decorum. 

[Adventine 3,196]

@Jason and May the problem is that anyone can read VJ, even without an account. Don't underestimate scammers who might try to impersonate you or your fiancee. There might also be "friends" and family who are secretly envious of your fiancee's impending move to the US, and who might try to mess up her immigration process. There are also random internet trolls who like to mess people up for fun, just by using info they can find online. 

Edited July 21, 2023 by Adventine

[Jason and May 79]

19 minutes ago, Adventine said:

@Jason and May the problem is that anyone can read VJ, even without an account. Don't underestimate scammers who might try to impersonate you or your fiancee. There might also be "friends" and family who are secretly envious of your fiancee's impending move to the US, and who might try to mess up her immigration process. There are also random internet trolls who like to mess people up for fun, just by using info they can find online. 

You make some very good points I hadn’t considered. My immediate thoughts are always more along the lines of trolls and generally people at large. 

 

The bigger and perhaps more pertinent issues surrounding immigration, scammers, and the like actually hadn’t occurred to me. (Though, it probably should have.)  

 

Thank you for bringing that up. I really do appreciate it. It’s a good education and reminder. 😬🤙🏾