[Master Thread] Environmentalism, Climate Change, etc.

[TBoneTX 45,591]

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Experts Warn Hurricane In Hurricane Alley During Hurricane Season Clear Sign Of Climate Change

 

[...] "This situation is completely unprecedented," said global warming expert and local dog groomer Rodney Carlson.  "I've never seen a hurricane of this magnitude forming in hurricane alley during the hurricane season, and my records go back over 75 days!  Clearly, this can only be explained by global warming."  [...]

 

https://babylonbee.com/news/experts-warn-hurricane-forming-in-hurricane-alley-during-hurricane-season-is-clear-sign-of-climate-change

[Pooky 3,816]

Snowed here Saturday night ❄️

[Boiler 45,732]

Me Too. Went over the pass and the road was a mess, I eventually saw a plow going the other way but this had been talked about for days.

 

Then I was sweltering yesterday, think it hit 77F.

 

I do need to get my tyres replaced.......OK for Summer use but.

 

 

[TBoneTX 45,591]

7 hours ago, Pooky said:

Snowed here Saturday night ❄️

 

7 hours ago, Boiler said:

Me Too. Went over the pass and the road was a mess, I eventually saw a plow going the other way but this had been talked about for days.

Southeastern Texas is civilized, gentlemen -- it rarely snows and doesn't last.

If I never see another flake of snow, I won't care!

[Pooky 3,816]

36 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

 

Southeastern Texas is civilized, gentlemen -- it rarely snows and doesn't last.

If I never see another flake of snow, I won't care!

What have you got against fluffy rain? 🤔

[TBoneTX 45,591]

4 minutes ago, Pooky said:

What have you got against fluffy rain? 🤔

Here, we call it "fat water."

[TBoneTX 45,591]

Idiot Noah Builds An Ark When He Could Have Just Paid More Taxes To Stop Climate Change

 

MESOPOTAMIA — Onlookers erupted in shouts of ridicule for a prominent local man, as apparent idiot Noah decided to build an ark when he could have just paid more taxes to stop climate change.

Despite his fellow villagers suggesting he simply pay his "fair share" in taxes to avert a potential upcoming climate catastrophe, the patriarch chose instead to invest heavily in construction materials he would use to build a gigantic boat.

"What a moron," one witness said.  [...]

 

https://babylonbee.com/news/idiot-noah-builds-an-ark-when-he-could-have-just-paid-more-taxes-to-stop-climate-change

[Dashinka 24,635]

Some eye opening facts and calculations.  People do understand that batteries do not actually generate electricity.

 

The Home-Based Battery Storage Fantasy

 

In the U.S., a typical residential household consumes around 10,800 kWh annually, or about 30 kWh per day. Of course, the amount varies depending on the size of home, the region of the country, and the season of the year. With electrified space and water heat, some regions of the country where electricity demand now peaks in summer will see demand peak in winter, while existing winter-peaking regions will see winter demand spike even further.

 

According to a U.S. Department of Energy model, a heat pump in a typical home will consume about 5,500 kWh annually. That alone represents a 50% increase in electricity use. Charging a typical EV adds another 4,300 kWh annually. In total, those will add almost 10,000 kWh of consumption annually, roughly doubling current consumption to about 60 kWh per day, although the increase will be greatest in winter when heating loads peak.

 

Supplying the additional electricity while ensuring the same level of service reliability (i.e., no extended outages or limiting consumers’ access to electricity because of insufficient supplies) will require enough battery storage to provide electricity at night and over multi-day periods when there is little wind and sun available to recharge those batteries. Although the article recommends using consumers’ EVs to supply electricity, few consumers will likely wish to wake up to an uncharged EV and an inability to travel, especially if there is no stored electricity available to recharge their EVs.

 

Using the U.S. consumption averages, if existing local distribution systems can serve today’s average load of 30 kWh/day, then enough battery storage must be built to supply the remaining 30 kWh. and, more importantly, the peak power demand of electric heat pumps and EV chargers. A typical Level 2 home EV charger, for example, can draw 20 kilowatts (kW). A heat pump can draw 7 kW.

 

The largest Tesla Powerwall, which is designed for home use, provides a maximum of 11.5 kW of power and 13.5 kWh of storage under ideal conditions. (When temperatures fall, so does battery capacity and efficiency.) Hence, at least three Powerwall units would be required to provide a typical home with sufficient electricity to supplement existing grid capacity. For one million homes, that means three million Powerwall units providing a maximum of 40.5 million kWh (40,500 megawatt-hours) of battery storage.

 

https://www.realclearenergy.org/articles/2024/11/21/the_home-based_battery_storage_fantasy_1073913.html

[Boiler 45,732]

Well now we are talking about something I do know about. I have been umming and arring about getting a back up system, and I know many people who are off grid, mainly because it is cost prohibitive to connect to the grid.

 

I am slightly out of date but last I remember they were charging $5k a pole, one guy I met in the Brewery was told he would have to have it trenched in, now that is serious money.

 

So if you need say 10 poles do you pay $50k or install your own system?

 

Anyway Tesla is a nice solution but there are others, and if you just go for the regular Batteries they are now down to 20c a Watt,  New Solar Panels are around 50c a Watt and Inverters etc are coming down.

 

When you have Costco selling systems well.

 

When walking the pups yesterday I walked past a charging system, and there was a guy with a Ford Lightning charging up, he came up from Denver and forgot his charging cable and was probably OK to get back but decided to be safe. He very rarely uses the supercharges, just plugs it in overnight. Now he has the big battery option which I think it 150kw so a lot of energy.

 

Friends who are off grid have a massive house and a system installed 20 years ago, I am sure they will upgrade their batteries next time they need replacing to LiPo, which will see them out. They have a back up Diesel Generator but seem to never use it, they do have wood stoves.

 

I think bidirectional charging is a major step forward.

 

This guy knows his stuff:

 

 

[Dashinka 24,635]

The establishment is always looking at ways to hide their taxes.

 

Electrifying Everything Means Higher Energy Costs For Consumers. These DOE Numbers Prove It (Again)

 

Last year, Stacey Abrams, a prominent Democrat who served in the Georgia House of Representatives for 10 years, joined Rewiring America as a “senior counsel.” In a press release, Abrams said she was excited to join the dark money NGO because she wants to help promote its electrify everything agenda and to “share the benefits of electrification.” She also claimed that families “across the country live too close to the economic edge, and every dollar saved now changes their future. But few understand how much money they can save with a little help to upgrade their homes and vehicles.”

 

Abrams is one of many activists, NGOs, and politicians who contend that trying to electrify everything will save consumers money. In 2022, the White House claimed that electrifying  everything would “lower energy costs.” One of the richest climate NGOs in the US, the Natural Resources Defense Council (annual revenue: $193 million), claims that “done right,” electrifying everything will “bring big benefits to environmental justice communities,” including “lower energy costs.”

 

https://robertbryce.substack.com/p/electrifying-everything-means-higher

[Dashinka 24,635]

On 11/22/2024 at 8:54 AM, Boiler said:

Well now we are talking about something I do know about. I have been umming and arring about getting a back up system, and I know many people who are off grid, mainly because it is cost prohibitive to connect to the grid.

 

I am slightly out of date but last I remember they were charging $5k a pole, one guy I met in the Brewery was told he would have to have it trenched in, now that is serious money.

 

So if you need say 10 poles do you pay $50k or install your own system?

 

Anyway Tesla is a nice solution but there are others, and if you just go for the regular Batteries they are now down to 20c a Watt,  New Solar Panels are around 50c a Watt and Inverters etc are coming down.

 

When you have Costco selling systems well.

 

When walking the pups yesterday I walked past a charging system, and there was a guy with a Ford Lightning charging up, he came up from Denver and forgot his charging cable and was probably OK to get back but decided to be safe. He very rarely uses the supercharges, just plugs it in overnight. Now he has the big battery option which I think it 150kw so a lot of energy.

 

Friends who are off grid have a massive house and a system installed 20 years ago, I am sure they will upgrade their batteries next time they need replacing to LiPo, which will see them out. They have a back up Diesel Generator but seem to never use it, they do have wood stoves.

 

I think bidirectional charging is a major step forward.

 

This guy knows his stuff:

 

 

That is definitely one area where these types of systems are more economical.  Connecting to the grid in remote areas can be prohibitively expensive, so these systems are much more palatable cost wise.

[Boiler 45,732]

 

[Ban Hammer 13,429]

24 minutes ago, Boiler said:

 

seems like solar is nothing more than modern day snake oil salesmen.......

[Pooky 3,816]

The greenest form of energy is, and has been for many years, nuclear ☢️ 

[Boiler 45,732]

8 hours ago, Ban Hammer said:

seems like solar is nothing more than modern day snake oil salesmen.......

 

Reminds me of how a lot of Double Glazing was sold back in the day, well with a few tweaks. Now is the product good or bad, well good and most of us have it.

 

It seems especially in CA I assume elsewhere that in their enthusiasm to go green, lower case as it is not really green you could basically use the grid as your battery, and they had very expensive electricity, so install panels and feed it back to the grid during the day and take full credit at night.

 

So a lot of systems were sold with financing at no cost to the property owner due to financing, installer made money, finance company made lots of money and poor people who could not afford to play subsidized it.

 

Now the cost of the equipment has plummeted, the grid gives you a very small credit and paying the installer and funding it does not add up.

 

Install it yourself or with help, have a battery back up, now that does. Especially if you are paying nearer 50c a Watt not 15c where I am.