[Master Thread] Environmentalism, Climate Change, etc.

[Dashinka 24,479]

A long read, but well worth it as it is well researched and informative relative to the EV myth.  As I have said many times, EVs are practical for some, but are not a complete replacement for ICE from a functionality standpoint.  My issue is with the artificial market forces lead by the governments around the world and the likes of the WEF driving EV adoption.  I heard one commenter mention a similarity to Palm Pilots with respect to the current EV market.  When one company owns nearly 75% of the market (Tesla), it is really more of a cult product and potentially it will fall off the cliff in the early adopter phase like the Palm Pilot did.  Now of course in the case of Palm Pilots, the governments were not directly or indirectly forcing their adoption, so EVs may face a different outcome, but with increasing distrust of governments, who really knows.

 

Electric Vehicles for Everyone? The Impossible Dream

July 12th, 2023   Report by Mark P. Mills

 

The scale of those upstream emissions emerges from the fact that a typical EV battery weighs about 1,000 pounds and replaces a fuel tank holding about 80 pounds of gasoline.[31] That half-ton battery is made from a wide range of minerals, including copper, nickel, aluminum, graphite, cobalt, manganese, and, of course, lithium. Critically, the combined quantity of these specialty and so-called energy minerals is 10-fold greater in building an EV, compared with an ICE car.[32]

 

As researchers at the U.S. Argonne National Labs have pointed out, the relevant emissions data on such materials “remain meager to nonexistent, forcing researchers to resort to engineering calculations or approximations.”[33] And, per IEA, data on the emissions intensity of specific minerals can “vary considerably across companies and regions.”[34] That is a consequential understatement. The fundamental fact to keep in mind: every claim for EVs reducing emissions is a rough estimate or an outright guess based on averages, approximations, or aspirations. The estimates entail myriad known unknowns about what happens upstream to obtain and process materials to fabricate the giant battery. Those factors not only vary wildly but can be big enough, alone, to wipe out from one-half to all the emissions saved by not burning gasoline.

 

https://manhattan.institute/article/electric-vehicles-for-everyone-the-impossible-dream

[Boiler 45,442]

All valid points, I have never understood the net zero argument, everything I have seen is 50% at best, unless and until they can make EVs out of Fairy Dust.

 

If you really want to focus on emissions etc then you make vehicles smaller and lighter and I see the opposite happening.

[Dashinka 24,479]

1 hour ago, Boiler said:

All valid points, I have never understood the net zero argument, everything I have seen is 50% at best, unless and until they can make EVs out of Fairy Dust.

 

If you really want to focus on emissions etc then you make vehicles smaller and lighter and I see the opposite happening.

The graph listed as Figure 6 is quite telling.  No one really understands the emissions from getting all the materials to make EVs yet.  I have seen some studies that show diesels running on renewable diesels also known as hydrotreated vegetable oil (not biodiesel) is far superior to EVs in CO2 emissions even with optimistic EV manufacturing studies.

[Boiler 45,442]

Even very basic stuff, I am in Colorado we have a short growing season, very short where I am, most food comes from outside Colorado.

 

Emissions related to a Melon would be very different based on all sorts of factors.

[TBoneTX 45,248]

5 hours ago, Dashinka said:

hydrotreated vegetable oil

Didn't one U.S. airline experiment with this or something similar in the last year or two?

[Dashinka 24,479]

2 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Didn't one U.S. airline experiment with this or something similar in the last year or two?

Virgin Atlantic.

[Boiler 45,442]

They are speaking German but you do not need to know the language.

 

 

[TBoneTX 45,248]

Stupidity has consequences.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

21 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

Stupidity has consequences.

It used too. Unfortunately now with all the equality and nanny state appeasement policies, the stupid are allowed to breed and operate with impunity 

[Dashinka 24,479]

1 hour ago, Boiler said:

They are speaking German but you do not need to know the language.

 

 

Should give them a hatchet and tell them they have 5 minutes before the next plane takes off.

[TBoneTX 45,248]

Climate Expert: Gas Car Cancellation Is Intended to End Private Transport

 

Soon after a World Economic Forum partner was caught calling for an "end" to private car ownership, a climate expert is warning that the push to cancel gas-powered cars is just a ploy to end private transport.  The climate crisis is a hoax, but it's such a darn useful hoax for authoritarian globalists.

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/catherinesalgado/2023/07/15/climate-expert-gas-car-cancellation-is-intended-to-end-private-transport-n1710930

[Pooky 3,780]

The stoopid is spreading 🤣

[Pooky 3,780]

Lithium Ion batteries are a dead end. Solid state shows promise and looks to be a safer option.

 

https://ts2.space/en/nasas-solid-state-battery-breakthrough-unlocking-the-future-of-electric-flight-and-air-mobility/

[Boiler 45,442]

Of course she did

 

 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

On 7/14/2023 at 6:35 PM, TBoneTX said:

Didn't one U.S. airline experiment with this or something similar in the last year or two?

How could I be out of upvotes this early.  I demand an investigation.  Who is running this place the DOJ