I-751 and children

[Boiler 45,449]

1 minute ago, Sam213141 said:

Again you don’t get it. Your response from the initial one to this one does not make sense. 

I think we will have to agree to disagree.

[RamonGomez 271]

When we submitted our I-485 packet some time ago, we put in ultrasound pictures as my wife was ~3 months pregnant at the time. At the interview, the first thing the officer asked about was the baby. After handing him the birth certificate he literally said "well this is going to be a quick interview" and we were out of there in 5-10 minutes.  But yeah, I guess signed affidavits and joint Costco cards would've been even more impactful LOL if you listen to some of the posters on here.

 

I don't understand the defensiveness and insecurities regarding the issue of children. No one is saying you have to have children to get a case approved. But having a child obviously seems to help, based on our experience and according to our attorney who had attended hundreds of these interviews. The first item in the "Evidence of the Relationship" section of the I-751 instructions is "birth certificates of any children born during the marriage". Anyone impulsively claiming that "kids just means you had sex" is just trying to sound edgy, but instead comes of as highly insecure - and there's no reason at all to be adversarial about this.

[beloved_dingo 1,976]

1 hour ago, RamonGomez said:

When we submitted our I-485 packet some time ago, we put in ultrasound pictures as my wife was ~3 months pregnant at the time. At the interview, the first thing the officer asked about was the baby. After handing him the birth certificate he literally said "well this is going to be a quick interview" and we were out of there in 5-10 minutes.  But yeah, I guess signed affidavits and joint Costco cards would've been even more impactful LOL if you listen to some of the posters on here.

 

I don't understand the defensiveness and insecurities regarding the issue of children. No one is saying you have to have children to get a case approved. But having a child obviously seems to help, based on our experience and according to our attorney who had attended hundreds of these interviews. The first item in the "Evidence of the Relationship" section of the I-751 instructions is "birth certificates of any children born during the marriage". Anyone impulsively claiming that "kids just means you had sex" is just trying to sound edgy, but instead comes of as highly insecure - and there's no reason at all to be adversarial about this.

Our AOS interview also lasted less than 10 minutes and we don't have kids. In fact we were only in the interview that long because our IO was chatting with us about Borderlands (video game). 

 

You're making some very odd leaps of logic here. No one is being adversarial, being defensive or showing insecurities? It's just a fact that children do not automatically equate to proving a bona fide marriage. Outside of the scope of immigration, a huge number of children are born out of wedlock or to single parents, etc. On the flip side, not too many people own a house with an unmarried partner (since it's not generally a wise financial choice). 

 

In the scope of immigration, having a child is one type of strong evidence, but certainly not the only type. Strong evidence of financial co-mingling is on the same level, imo. I don't think we can definitively say what the "strongest" evidence is, since that is very subjective and probably even depends slightly on the IO/CO reviewing the file. 

 

All that being said, people don't get RFEs for not having kids but they definitely do for not having financial co-mingling 😂

Edited June 21, 2023 by beloved_dingo

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We tend to see the extremes mentioned on VJ, my interviews were also a few minutes shuffling through papers, a bit of chit chat and out.

 

Obviously the extremes are more interesting.

[Lemonslice 4,831]

4 minutes ago, beloved_dingo said:

Our AOS interview also lasted less than 10 minutes and we don't have kids. In fact we were only in the interview that long because our IO was chatting with us about Borderlands (video game). 

 

You're making some very odd leaps of logic here. No one is being adversarial, being defensive or showing insecurities? It's just a fact that children do not automatically equate to proving a bona fide marriage. Outside of the scope of immigration, a huge number of children are born out of wedlock or to single parents, etc. On the flip side, not too many people own a house with an unmarried partner (since it's not generally a wise financial choice). 

 

In the scope of immigration, having a child is one type of strong evidence, but certainly not the only type. Strong evidence of financial co-mingling is on the same level, imo. I don't think we can definitively say what the "strongest" evidence is, since that is very subjective and probably even depends slightly on the IO/CO reviewing the file. 

 

All that being said, people don't get RFEs for not having kids but they definitely do for not having financial co-mingling 😂

Same.  Approved without interview.  If children were the "strongest" evidence, then we would see a trend of problematic situation for people without them.  Which we don't.  It's just one evidence of the relationship, among many others.  

 

[Jasskatten 23]

I did not say having children is "the strongest evidence", neither did RamonGomez or anyone else in this thread.

 

The original poster asked IF having children is "the strongest evidence". A couple of people in this thread then said it is nearly worthless evidence. I don't think it is worthless evidence so decided to voice a dissenting opinion.

 

RamonGomez handed over one piece of evidence, and that was enough for the IO to imply that he was now sure they would be approved. Seems like strong evidence to me.

 

A down payment for a house otoh might seem a reasonable price for a green card for some.

[Crazy Cat 41,814]

13 minutes ago, Jasskatten said:

RamonGomez handed over one piece of evidence, and that was enough for the IO

Lazy IO.  Nothing more.  

[Jasskatten 23]

1 minute ago, Crazy Cat said:

Lazy IO.  Nothing more.  

Yes, I'm sure if he had handed over a joint Costco card, the response would have been the same.

[beloved_dingo 1,976]

45 minutes ago, Jasskatten said:

I did not say having children is "the strongest evidence", neither did RamonGomez or anyone else in this thread.

 

The original poster asked IF having children is "the strongest evidence". A couple of people in this thread then said it is nearly worthless evidence. I don't think it is worthless evidence so decided to voice a dissenting opinion.

 

RamonGomez handed over one piece of evidence, and that was enough for the IO to imply that he was now sure they would be approved. Seems like strong evidence to me.

 

A down payment for a house otoh might seem a reasonable price for a green card for some.

Everyone here is responding to the question "does having children with US citizen spouse considered as the strongest bonafide evidence of marriage?" 

 

Literally no one said that having children is "worthless" evidence. Just that it is not necessarily proof of a bona fide marriage. Is there a reason this bothers you?

 

Honestly, it doesn't matter if children are strong evidence or not. Choosing when or if to have a child is a very, very personal choice and immigration shouldn't even factor in to the overall decision (other than timing, perhaps). 

 

Edit: Mentioning the Costco card is a false equivalence. No one has said sharing a Costco membership is "strong" evidence. 

Edited June 21, 2023 by beloved_dingo

[Lemonslice 4,831]

On 6/19/2023 at 11:45 PM, Sam213141 said:

Hi everyone

 

I want to know what is considered as the strongest evidence for immigration. Does having children with US citizen spouse considered as the strongest bonafide evidence of marriage

OP is the one saying "strongest".  No one said it was worthless, just not the strongest.

18 hours ago, Sam213141 said:

Interesting how people respond on internet and never read question properly. The question asked “ does having a child considered as strongest evidence”

 

People are talking about unprotected sex, people are defensive as they themselves done have kids or intend to have kid, people talking about divorce or child abandonment. Please read question clearly and answer appropriately. People who intend to do fraud will find a way.  

 

17 hours ago, Sam213141 said:

So in your opinion only unprotected sex leads to kids. In vitro fertilization is a way too. Learn to give a answer in a civilized way. Word strongest does not mean one thing. It can include many things. I guess your mind stops with unprotected sex so I dont value your input. 

 

Edited June 21, 2023 by Lemonslice

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