I-751 and children

[Sam213141 2]

Hi everyone

 

I want to know what is considered as the strongest evidence for immigration. Does having children with US citizen spouse considered as the strongest bonafide evidence of marriage

[Boiler 45,449]

Unprotected sex is not in itself proof  of bona fide marriage.

[PaulaCJohnny 713]

16 minutes ago, Sam213141 said:

Hi everyone

 

I want to know what is considered as the strongest evidence for immigration. Does having children with US citizen spouse considered as the strongest bonafide evidence of marriage

No. Good evidence is lease with both names, financial documents like joint bank account, taxes, etc.

 

Like @Boiler said, you having a baby together does not make your case stronger. I have no kids and my case was approved based on my commingling financial and life documents.

 

Good luck 

[SalishSea 17,803]

45 minutes ago, Sam213141 said:

Hi everyone

 

I want to know what is considered as the strongest evidence for immigration. Does having children with US citizen spouse considered as the strongest bonafide evidence of marriage

No.  If that was the case, those of us who are done having children (or who choose not to) would be at an unfair disadvantage.   

[Sam213141 2]

Thanks for the response from amazing immigration experts 

[Jasskatten 23]

While having children does not in itself prove a bona fide marriage, I do believe it is strong evidence. The opinion you hear sometimes "anyone can make a baby" is also true for "anyone can open a joint bank account" or "anyone can buy a house together". While proof of intermingling your finances and cohabitating is strong evidence, so is having a child together (which is in my opinion the biggest commitment you can make with another person). A house can be sold, the money in a joint bank account can be split. A child is your responsibility for the rest of your life. So to think that having a child together is not strong proof, possibly the strongest, makes no sense to me.

 

That being said, don't have a child just to get a stronger case, it is not necessary to prove a bona fide marriage. Just as intermingled finances or cohabitating is not necessary. People get married for all sorts of reasons, and uscis knows that. As long as you did not get married for the sole reason to get a green card. And it is the the totality of the evidence that matters.

[Lemonslice 4,831]

10 hours ago, Jasskatten said:

While having children does not in itself prove a bona fide marriage, I do believe it is strong evidence. The opinion you hear sometimes "anyone can make a baby" is also true for "anyone can open a joint bank account" or "anyone can buy a house together". While proof of intermingling your finances and cohabitating is strong evidence, so is having a child together (which is in my opinion the biggest commitment you can make with another person). A house can be sold, the money in a joint bank account can be split. A child is your responsibility for the rest of your life. So to think that having a child together is not strong proof, possibly the strongest, makes no sense to me.

 

That being said, don't have a child just to get a stronger case, it is not necessary to prove a bona fide marriage. Just as intermingled finances or cohabitating is not necessary. People get married for all sorts of reasons, and uscis knows that. As long as you did not get married for the sole reason to get a green card. And it is the the totality of the evidence that matters.

Yeah... It's not that uncommon to abandon children in a divorce.  Some "parents" never seek custody, or visitation. 

 

You can look up the Effects of family changes forum, some stories are heartbreaking, and, some people really made babies to "fabricate" evidence. 

 

I agree that it's the totality of evidence that matters.  Scammers are going to scam, but normal couples will still have plenty of evidence to demonstrate how they live their marital lives. 

[Sam213141 2]

Interesting how people respond on internet and never read question properly. The question asked “ does having a child considered as strongest evidence”

 

People are talking about unprotected sex, people are defensive as they themselves done have kids or intend to have kid, people talking about divorce or child abandonment. Please read question clearly and answer appropriately. People who intend to do fraud will find a way.  

[Lil bear 4,181]

23 hours ago, Sam213141 said:

Hi everyone

 

I want to know what is considered as the strongest evidence for immigration. Does having children with US citizen spouse considered as the strongest bonafide evidence of marriage

Having children only proves you had sex together. Not the strongest evidence, no . 
The interviewing officer will be looking for financial co-mingling, evidence of shared lives .. wills, beneficiary of insurance etc, shared residence, joint ownership, joint utility accounts .. ….  

[OldUser 6,608]

20 minutes ago, Lil bear said:

Having children only proves you had sex together. Not the strongest evidence, no . 
The interviewing officer will be looking for financial co-mingling, evidence of shared lives .. wills, beneficiary of insurance etc, shared residence, joint ownership, joint utility accounts .. ….  

That's one way to look at it. I guess financial comingling also could be perceived by some as pragmatic marriage for $$$$$ that isn't necessarily bonafide? IMHO kids is a good evidence, but cannot stand on its on. As any other evidence, like filing taxes together.

Edited June 21, 2023 by OldUser

[Boiler 45,449]

1 minute ago, Sam213141 said:

Interesting how people respond on internet and never read question properly. The question asked “ does having a child considered as strongest evidence”

 

People are talking about unprotected sex, people are defensive as they themselves done have kids or intend to have kid, people talking about divorce or child abandonment. Please read question clearly and answer appropriately. People who intend to do fraud will find a way.  

Nothing suggests to me that your question was not read, now if you do not like the answers well not a lot we can do about that.

[Lemonslice 4,831]

51 minutes ago, Sam213141 said:

Interesting how people respond on internet and never read question properly. The question asked “ does having a child considered as strongest evidence”

 

People are talking about unprotected sex, people are defensive as they themselves done have kids or intend to have kid, people talking about divorce or child abandonment. Please read question clearly and answer appropriately. People who intend to do fraud will find a way.  

Answer: In general, NO.  

 

Having a child can be good evidence, but for most it is just one piece, among others. 

 

Can also be terrible evidence (the worst?) if one of the spouse has a child with someone outside their marriage (it has happened, many times).  If there is no cohabitation, financial support or comingling, the baby will not do miracles.  

 

What is your opinion @Sam213141, where did you learn that it would be "the strongest" evidence?

Edited June 21, 2023 by Lemonslice

[Sam213141 2]

32 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Nothing suggests to me that your question was not read, now if you do not like the answers well not a lot we can do about that.

So in your opinion only unprotected sex leads to kids. In vitro fertilization is a way too. Learn to give a answer in a civilized way. Word strongest does not mean one thing. It can include many things. I guess your mind stops with unprotected sex so I dont value your input. 

[Boiler 45,449]

4 minutes ago, Sam213141 said:

So in your opinion only unprotected sex leads to kids. In vitro fertilization is a way too. Learn to give a answer in a civilized way. Word strongest does not mean one thing. It can include many things. I guess your mind stops with unprotected sex so I dont value your input. 

I do not think I have ever heard of USCIS or any of the Consulates inquiring too much into how the child was conceived, the messy details. others may be able to correct me.

[Sam213141 2]

9 minutes ago, Boiler said:

I do not think I have ever heard of USCIS or any of the Consulates inquiring too much into how the child was conceived, the messy details. others may be able to correct me.

Again you don’t get it. Your response from the initial one to this one does not make sense.