Electric vehicles have an efficiency problem

[TBoneTX 45,266]

Wow!

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Those EV Shortcomings Aren't Shortcomings at All

 

[...] The modern Left has a dream – that soon, very soon, every vehicle in the world will be electric, running on a heavy, cobalt-laden, lithium battery that needs to be charged up somewhere with electricity derived from an out-of-sight coal plant.  [...]

 

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/08/those_ev_shortcomings_arent_shortcomings_at_all.html

[Mike E 11,739]

6 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Man's Hellish Family Trip With an Electric Truck Is a Warning to All About These Vehicles

 

[...] Dalbir Bala, a resident of Winnipeg, bought an electric Ford F-150 for $85,000 and was forced to abandon it after [...]

 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2023/08/17/biggest-scam-of-modern-times-dad-bought-an-electric-truck-things-turned-out-poorly-n2627070

I’ve never had problems charging my EV on road trips, because when I enter a destination into my onboard navigation computer, it tells me whether the trip is possible, and if it is, how fast I can drive and where I will charge. Using this onboard trip planner, I concluded a road trip from California to Alberta in my EV was not practical as the lack of charging infrastructure between Great Falls and Lethbridge meant that I would have to drive 50 mph, which is an unsafely low speed. 

 

He was going from Manitoba to Illinois which is not practical in an EV. I would drive my EV to Vancouver but the rest of Canada is off limits for now.

 

The story says he paid $10,000 to add an EV charger at work. The man loves in Manitoba. Where ICEVs with block heaters are the norm and therefore places to plug block heaters are more common than gas stations. He could have plugged into a 120V outlet at a parking spot at work:

 

 

 

Sure it might have added just 24 miles of range, but if a full charge in the morning plus 24 miles at work is not enough to get him home, then his EV is a  toy.

 

 

[Mike E 11,739]

6 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Wow!

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Those EV Shortcomings Aren't Shortcomings at All

 

[...] The modern Left has a dream – that soon, very soon, every vehicle in the world will be electric, running on a heavy, cobalt-laden, lithium battery that needs to be charged up somewhere with electricity derived from an out-of-sight coal plant.  [...]

 

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/08/those_ev_shortcomings_arent_shortcomings_at_all.html

The cluelessness of some journalists never ceases to amaze:

 

The EV’s current average, we are told, is eight hours to a “full charge,” whatever that means.
 

Preposterous. A DC fast charger would take typically 30 minutes to 90 percent charge. Not worth the wait for 100 percent charge.

 

The EV acolytes have an answer for this; “your hotel will have charger stations so you can charge up every night.”

 

It would never occur to me to depend on a hotel having a level 2 charger. Granted, “acolytes” usually lack critical thinking.

 

Instead, I pick hotels that are near DC fast chargers. Indeed some hotels on my usual road trips between Cali and AZ, or AZ and Colorado have DC fast chargers on site. 

 

The fifty-room hotel will now need fifty chargers in its parking lot. The 200-room hotel will need 200 of them.

 

Utterly stupid.

 

There’s no place to charge during the day
 

Referring to Chicago, New York, Boston and St Louis, I count, respectively at least 7, 9, 5, and 4 DC fast chargers I can easily use. What happened to fact checking?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dashinka 24,487]

34 minutes ago, Mike E said:

The cluelessness of some journalists never ceases to amaze:

 

The EV’s current average, we are told, is eight hours to a “full charge,” whatever that means.
 

Preposterous. A DC fast charger would take typically 30 minutes to 90 percent charge. Not worth the wait for 100 percent charge.

 

The EV acolytes have an answer for this; “your hotel will have charger stations so you can charge up every night.”

 

It would never occur to me to depend on a hotel having a level 2 charger. Granted, “acolytes” usually lack critical thinking.

 

Instead, I pick hotels that are near DC fast chargers. Indeed some hotels on my usual road trips between Cali and AZ, or AZ and Colorado have DC fast chargers on site. 

 

The fifty-room hotel will now need fifty chargers in its parking lot. The 200-room hotel will need 200 of them.

 

Utterly stupid.

 

There’s no place to charge during the day
 

Referring to Chicago, New York, Boston and St Louis, I count, respectively at least 7, 9, 5, and 4 DC fast chargers I can easily use. What happened to fact checking?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just curious, have you ever had to wait at a DC fast charger yet?  I suspect with Tesla opening their network to everyone (I suspect to get more revenue), and EVs starting to become more widespread, wait times at chargers will start becoming an issue.  I know, most people charge at home, etc., etc., but we all know that is not practical for everyone, particularly apartment dwellers.

[Boiler 45,466]

I could see Tesla making more money reselling electricity than they could making cars and trucks.

 

A couple of weeks ago I came across a sign that detailed the first road form California through Colorado, Coast to Rocky Mountains?, anyway calling it a road might be a stretch, more a collection of trails. As far as I can tell vehicles were mainly delivered by rail and operated in their local area, gas was bought from the local Pharmacy.

 

I am in the boonies and even here the County Town has a couple of chargers, I attended an on site meeting last week and the County guy had a Hybrid, it seems the County are encouraged to buy EV's and Hybrids.

 

All I know is I see more and more on the main drag, and of course these are just the ones that I can recognise. Something sharing the same body shape I probably will not.

[Boiler 45,466]

This is sort of related, and has become a big political issue in the UK and has developed a sport, I can see a TV show where teams have say an hour to remove as many Cameras as they can. I can not imagine the Cameras are cheap.

 

 

[Mike E 11,739]

48 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Just curious, have you ever had to wait at a DC fast charger yet? 

In 2017, it was the norm to wait. In 2023, it is the norm to not wait. There seem to be 10 times as many stations now compared to the 6 years ago. The car will tell if there is waiting at a particular station thus giving me the opportunity of going to one that has no wait. The charger 15 minutes from house has never had a wait, not have any in the rest of Tucson. In Phoenix I will experience waiting 1 in 10 times. 
 

Certain stations will attract more cars. Where I lived in California, the nearest fast charger was inside a Target parking garage and waiting was the norm. 2 miles away at Safeway there was never a wait.

 

1 hour ago, Dashinka said:

yet?  I suspect with Tesla opening their network to everyone (I suspect to get more revenue), and EVs starting to become more widespread, wait times at chargers will start becoming an issue

Or Tesla will build more stations to get more revenue, IOW what it has been doing since the day it built its first fast charger.  If the EV ownership experience is bad, there won’t be as many buyers. 
 

I am less concerned about non Teslas charging on Tesla’s network and more concerned about them taking multiple charging spaces  because the charging cable does not reach their charging port. 
 

Tesla is reconfiguring charging stations so that this is not necessary. 

[Dashinka 24,487]

4 minutes ago, Mike E said:

In 2017, it was the norm to wait. In 2023, it is the norm to not wait. There seem to be 10 times as many stations now compared to the 6 years ago. The car will tell if there is waiting at a particular station thus giving me the opportunity of going to one that has no wait. The charger 15 minutes from house has never had a wait, not have any in the rest of Tucson. In Phoenix I will experience waiting 1 in 10 times. 
 

Certain stations will attract more cars. Where I lived in California, the nearest fast charger was inside a Target parking garage and waiting was the norm. 2 miles away at Safeway there was never a wait.

 

Or Tesla will build more stations to get more revenue, IOW what it has been doing since the day it built its first fast charger.  If the EV ownership experience is bad, there won’t be as many buyers. 
 

I am less concerned about non Teslas charging on Tesla’s network and more concerned about them taking multiple charging spaces  because the charging cable does not reach their charging port. 
 

Tesla is reconfiguring charging stations so that this is not necessary. 

I always wondered what these charging stations were going to do to accommodate trucks pulling campers.  Right now, most are not very trailer friendly. 

[Mike E 11,739]

4 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

I always wondered what these charging stations were going to do to accommodate trucks pulling campers.  Right now, most are not very trailer friendly. 

This is another problem. 
 

Most Tesla owners who use their $100K cars as tractors seem have no cares in the world about taking up 7 slots at a fast charger, claiming that it is too hard to unhitch and re-hitch.

 

Fortunately there are fast charger stations, designed for this, with the number of trailer friendly slots numbering any where from 1 to all.

 

When I charge, I pick the center stall so that trailers cannot charge.

 

 

[Dashinka 24,487]

8 minutes ago, Mike E said:

This is another problem. 
 

Most Tesla owners who use their $100K cars as tractors seem have no cares in the world about taking up 7 slots at a fast charger, claiming that it is too hard to unhitch and re-hitch.

 

Fortunately there are fast charger stations, designed for this, with the number of trailer friendly slots numbering any where from 1 to all.

 

When I charge, I pick the center stall so that trailers cannot charge.

 

 

Personally, I would never look to use an EV for towing unless it was very close.  Wait until the big trucks start using these stations.  

[Mike E 11,739]

24 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Wait until the big trucks start using these stations

That will be futile:

 

 

 

 

The plugs and sockets are not compatible.

 

 

 

 

[TBoneTX 45,266]

Why don't we let California serve as the testing-ground for 100% EV usage, without state or Federal subsidies, and see how practicable all this is -- before cramming EVs down everyone else's throat?

[Dashinka 24,487]

US Mirrors China As Electric-Vehicle Bubble Starts To Deflate: WSJ

 

The U.S. is mirroring China’s EV crisis where surges in production have led to an oversaturated market, according to an op-ed by Wall Street Journal.

 

Auto manufacturers in China are bleeding cash and facing bankruptcy due to a relentless price war. Over the past decade, numerous Chinese EV startups have emerged, bolstered by government incentives including consumer benefits and direct financing. However, with the government reducing subsidies and increasing production requirements, nearly 400 Chinese EV manufacturers have gone under in recent years.

 

With EVs making up a third of auto sales in China, but supply significantly outstripping demand, the situation is likely to worsen as Chinese consumption weakens.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/us-mirrors-china-as-electric-vehicle-bubble-starts-to-deflate-wsj/ar-AA1fBNce

[Mike E 11,739]

Tesla just continues to win everywhere despite reputations for degradation of  quality and service for the past 5 years. It is stunning how its competition manages to shoot itself in their feet while Tesla laughs at the world.

 

The consumer will win: cheaper ICEV and EVs coming our way.

 

I figure in 20 years, Tesla will be to cars, as Kleenex is to tissue paper and Aspirin is to acetylsalicylic acid. 

 

 

[Boiler 45,466]

I was thinking Hoover, I have already seen Tesla used as a generic term. AirBnB is another.