Electric vehicles have an efficiency problem

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Giant scam

 

Carbon schemes are touted as a way to transfer billions in climate finance to the developing world – but people at the Kariba project in Zimbabwe say most of the profits never arrive

 

Much of the €100m revenue generated by Kariba has been carved off along the way by the project developers in fees and expenses: €86m went into costs and profits assigned to the broker and technical lead South Pole and to the project coordinator Carbon Green Investments. In the end, only a maximum of €14m went to Kariba’s communities through cash transfers and infrastructure improvements.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/mar/15/money-carbon-credits-zimbabwe-conservation-aoe

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I have said it here before and well say it again. EV's are not the future. Big automakers are pulling back from them in major ways, the word on the streets is that all  the big automakers are stopping making them.. Toyota makes a BZR4X and I think we only got one last year. It's a #######, excuse my French and the guy that bought it came back so much we got to know him on a 1st name basis.

 

The future is hybrids and Hydrogen. I am retired but still help a few hustlers (guys that make 150K+ a year and are limited in test taking abilities ) with their tests. The Camry will be 100% hybrid in 2025.  There are 2 kind of hybrids. One for gas mileage ie. The Camry, Corolla, RAV4, Sienna. The other is for Torque and Power I.e the Tundra, Sequoia etc.. The boys tell me the Tacoma is out for 24 in Hybrid and Turbo

but I don't know much about it

 

I spent  30+ years managing production operations and the last 9 selling cars. The car business is like no other, it's a bizarre business.  I should write a book. (with a good proof reader)

 

Now Hybrid hydrogen cell fuel cell cars are what Toyota hopes to push into the future.  The Toyota Mirai, which is only available in communist infested areas  of the USA. Toyota hopes to build a Hydrogen filling network. I honestly I forget exactly where it is available and I am too lazy to google it, but its some areas of the left coast. 

 

The cool thing about Hydrogen is no prolonged battery fires. Just a great big bang and its over. LOL

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28 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I have said it here before and well say it again. EV's are not the future. Big automakers are pulling back from them in major ways, the word on the streets is that all  the big automakers are stopping making them.. Toyota makes a BZR4X and I think we only got one last year. It's a #######, excuse my French and the guy that bought it came back so much we got to know him on a 1st name basis.

 

The future is hybrids and Hydrogen. I am retired but still help a few hustlers (guys that make 150K+ a year and are limited in test taking abilities ) with their tests. The Camry will be 100% hybrid in 2025.  There are 2 kind of hybrids. One for gas mileage ie. The Camry, Corolla, RAV4, Sienna. The other is for Torque and Power I.e the Tundra, Sequoia etc.. The boys tell me the Tacoma is out for 24 in Hybrid and Turbo

but I don't know much about it

 

I spent  30+ years managing production operations and the last 9 selling cars. The car business is like no other, it's a bizarre business.  I should write a book. (with a good proof reader)

 

Now Hybrid hydrogen cell fuel cell cars are what Toyota hopes to push into the future.  The Toyota Mirai, which is only available in communist infested areas  of the USA. Toyota hopes to build a Hydrogen filling network. I honestly I forget exactly where it is available and I am too lazy to google it, but its some areas of the left coast. 

 

The cool thing about Hydrogen is no prolonged battery fires. Just a great big bang and its over. LOL

I am still not sold on H2.  Conceptually, a fuel cell works, but in reality, it is tough to put in practice, particularly when it comes to storage on a moving vehicle that would have to survive a crash.

[Boiler 45,886]

I did some numbers on the F150 Lightning 

 

So based on my local Electricity price you can do about 12 miles for a dollar. The gas equivalent is maybe 5, one of the advantages is you lose no power with altitude and there is a lot of up and downs and you can regenerate on the down.

 

I think a game changer and it is coming is to tie everything in with the house system.

 

Now if you use a supercharger the numbers change and it is sort of similar to gas. Well it can be the local one here is 45c a KW, now no wonder it is not used.

 

I did not look at diesel because they are in a different price bracket.

 

Now I know someone in Construction who has a Rivian and you do not need to worry about power at a site, you can run all your tools off the truck.

 

I also know a lot of people with off grid systems, add a few panels and charge your vehicle, so free ish.

 

Places like CA with blackouts and variable charging makes even more sense, fill up the vehicle when it is cheap and draw back down when it is expensive.

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I thought this was quite interesting, short version LiFePO4 batteries going down to $56 a KW.

 

Now they are heavier but do not burst into flames and have a longer number of cycles. You seem them more in stationary systems connected to PV systems.

 

If you had a small car, which say needed 40kw for a decent range that would weigh about 800lbs for the pack I think and cost just over $2000.  You can buy them now in the standard battery sizes, makes more sense to have car packs standardised.

 

I have seen warranties for 7000 cycles down to 80% so if you charged once a day that would be 20 years, now of course they are likely to last more charges before they get to 80% and even then you still have 80%.

 

The foics needs to move from the high end market.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Boiler said:

 

I thought this was quite interesting, short version LiFePO4 batteries going down to $56 a KW.

 

Now they are heavier but do not burst into flames and have a longer number of cycles. You seem them more in stationary systems connected to PV systems.

 

If you had a small car, which say needed 40kw for a decent range that would weigh about 800lbs for the pack I think and cost just over $2000.  You can buy them now in the standard battery sizes, makes more sense to have car packs standardised.

 

I have seen warranties for 7000 cycles down to 80% so if you charged once a day that would be 20 years, now of course they are likely to last more charges before they get to 80% and even then you still have 80%.

 

The foics needs to move from the high end market.

 

 

 

One of the other negatives of LFP cells is they operate very poorly in cold weather.  I have seen a couple of studies of China battery packs, and in some they use a combination of LFP and NMC batteries to overcome the cold weather issues.  Also, LFP batteries will burn, they just burn at a lower temperature (something like 600C as opposed to 1000C+).  That being said, there is a big movement toward LFP cells across the industry with either a sacrifice of range for weight, or the other way around,

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24 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

One of the other negatives of LFP cells is they operate very poorly in cold weather.  I have seen a couple of studies of China battery packs, and in some they use a combination of LFP and NMC batteries to overcome the cold weather issues.  Also, LFP batteries will burn, they just burn at a lower temperature (something like 600C as opposed to 1000C+).  That being said, there is a big movement toward LFP cells across the industry with either a sacrifice of range for weight, or the other way around,

They will not charge below freezing and discharge below 15?f. Not an issue if you are say in the UK. Now where I am it is currently 19f and we are in a warm spell for this time of year, lots of snow melt.

 

The BMS will prevent any harm to the battery and you can buy them with heat pads so more an issue of energy loss if you operate them in very cold areas depending on the level of insulation etc etc.

 

But then diesel can freeze here.

 

I saw this and if I could get one for what the Dealers are offering I would jump at it. But then I looked up what they would offer for my car as a trade in and it was peanuts.

 

 

Edited March 19, 2024 by Boiler

[TBoneTX 45,835]

Want to Rent a Lemon?  How About 100,000 of Them?
 

Hertz just fired its CEO for one single, awful business decision.  He is taking the fall for Hertz’s decision — on his watch — to buy 100,000 electric vehicles from Tesla, all for the American fleet.  To say the decision was a flop is putting it mildly.  [...]

 

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/03/want_to_rent_a_lemon_how_about_100_000_of_them.html

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There is a long list and I do not know all of them

 

They have settled numerous claims for having customers arrested accused of stealing their cars when they did not.

 

So EV specific

 

They did not build in extra damage costs

They did not install charging station at their locations.

They required them to be brought back fully charged

Essentially they are High Performance vehicles.

Edited March 24, 2024 by Boiler

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Sure, the companies will just suck up the cost out of the goodness of their hearts.

 

Electrifying trucking in U.S. could cost as much as $1 trillion, burden consumers, study warns

 

Trucking fleets and operators of charging stations, according to the study, will need to invest $620 billion into new charging infrastructure. This includes the chargers, site infrastructure and utility cost service.

 

Trucking operators will also need to invest in on-site charging stations, which the study estimates will cost in total $496 billion. Chargers for heavy-duty trucks, such as semi trucks, will cost $145,000 per vehicle. Medium-duty trucks will cost $54,000 per vehicle.

 

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/energy/study-electrifying-trucking-us-could-cost-much-1-trillion

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That sounds a lot, a lot of things like Fork Lift Trucks are electric and need charging.

 

A few FLTs is one thing, the infrastructure for no end of Semi's is another.

 

I amy have mentioned this but Solar Farms in California have to pay to connect to the grid which can make such projects financially impractical if there is not spare capacity and they need to pay for multiple miles of upgrade.

 

Same deal in reverse if you need to seriously upgrade your electricity supply.

 

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2 hours ago, Boiler said:

That sounds a lot, a lot of things like Fork Lift Trucks are electric and need charging.

 

A few FLTs is one thing, the infrastructure for no end of Semi's is another.

 

I amy have mentioned this but Solar Farms in California have to pay to connect to the grid which can make such projects financially impractical if there is not spare capacity and they need to pay for multiple miles of upgrade.

 

Same deal in reverse if you need to seriously upgrade your electricity supply.

 

I was listening to an overnight show that caters to truckers, and one driving an EV truck was saying they have to charge for an hour to be able to drive another hour.  Seems impractical as truckers (cross country) do not generally stop every hour to re-fuel.  I still think if anything works for cross country trucking it will be H2, but we are still a long way from building up that infrastructure.

[TBoneTX 45,835]

11 hours ago, Dashinka said:

I was listening to an overnight show that caters to truckers, and one driving an EV truck was saying they have to charge for an hour to be able to drive another hour.  Seems impractical as truckers (cross country) do not generally stop every hour to re-fuel.  I still think if anything works for cross country trucking it will be H2, but we are still a long way from building up that infrastructure.

This brings back memories of the 55-mph speed limit.  If that's resumed today, every trucker will run afoul of service hours or have to take 1.5 days to complete their routes, thus causing supply-chain problems, wreaking havoc with truckers' pay, and damaging the economy.  Does anyone here think that the leftists have thought about any of this?

 

Probably more pertinent today are calls to "charge by miles driven."

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Fisker talks with “large automaker” fall through, NYSE will delist FSR stock

 

https://electrek.co/2024/03/25/fiskers-talks-with-large-automaker-fall-through-announcement-pending/

 

Things have been rough for Fisker in the last few weeks. After a Q4 wherein the company had big delivery growth but nevertheless said there was “substantial doubt” it could continue as a going concern without significant outside investment, the stock has fallen significantly from already-low levels.

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4 hours ago, Boiler said:

Fisker talks with “large automaker” fall through, NYSE will delist FSR stock

 

https://electrek.co/2024/03/25/fiskers-talks-with-large-automaker-fall-through-announcement-pending/

 

Things have been rough for Fisker in the last few weeks. After a Q4 wherein the company had big delivery growth but nevertheless said there was “substantial doubt” it could continue as a going concern without significant outside investment, the stock has fallen significantly from already-low levels.

Yes, Fisker was announcing the dire situation for some time.  Considering they really don't have much brand recognition, I doubt anyone was seriously looking at them.