Electric vehicles have an efficiency problem

[Boiler 45,449]

 

Another one that could go in many threads, they talk about the collapse of EV values, but also others and of course a lot goes to Bidenomics.

[Dashinka 24,481]

On 6/8/2024 at 9:37 PM, Boiler said:

 

Another one that could go in many threads, they talk about the collapse of EV values, but also others and of course a lot goes to Bidenomics.

NB's new job?

[TBoneTX 45,259]

14 hours ago, Dashinka said:

NB's new job?

Nope -- professor of spelling & grammar.

[Dashinka 24,481]

Considering folks, especially in the LA area, are stealing fire hydrants, and traffic signal wiring, I can't imagine these hefty cables at DC fast charging sites would last long.

 

Thefts of charging cables pose yet another obstacle to appeal of electric vehicles

 

https://www.wtae.com/article/electric-vehicle-charging-cables-theft/61087733 

[milimelo 4,475]

On 6/8/2024 at 12:26 AM, TBoneTX said:

Rental EVs:  Such a Painful Experience, It Hertz

 

It was cutting-edge, green-as-all-get-out, ahead of the curve, and wicked cool for bragging rights while it lasted, which wasn't very long.  Rental car giant Hertz is still dealing with the aftermath of its badly executed 2021 decision to go all-in on an Electric Vehicle fleet.  [...]

https://hotair.com/tree-hugging-sister/2024/06/07/rental-evs-such-a-painful-experience-it-hertz-n3789811

My sister went to SC and was "upgraded" to EV which she quickly declined and asked for regular gas vehicle. 

[Crazy Cat 41,814]

One of my neighbors, here in the east DFW area, has an EV.  They recently drove it to Houston.  What is normally about a 3-4 hour drive, took close to 8 due to range and re-charge issues.  The husband says they have frequent "range anxiety". 

Edited June 17 by Crazy Cat

[Boiler 45,449]

260 miles?

 

At most one topup for most EVs, which one do they have?

 

I have been looking at my travel history, Google sends me a report every month, furthest I have done this year in one day was 160, Denver and around and back. I do not like going to Denver but needs must every now and then.

 

More normal max is under 100. Because I am in the boonies I do quite a bit of mileage but regularly not long trips.

 

And there is a fast charger which I doubt I would need a few hundred yards away, 2 units and usually available.

 

The funny thing is they are doing road works and stopped to fill up yesterday and the pumps were out, the vibration from all the digging had knocked the system off, was able to pay inside and the guy working there was someone I know. So he filled me in.

 

We have the most expensive gas in Colorado so I normally try and fill up elsewhere.

 

I parked next to a Cyber Truck yesterday, they just look weird to me but no doubt time will change my perception.

[Dashinka 24,481]

2 hours ago, Boiler said:

260 miles?

 

At most one topup for most EVs, which one do they have?

 

I have been looking at my travel history, Google sends me a report every month, furthest I have done this year in one day was 160, Denver and around and back. I do not like going to Denver but needs must every now and then.

 

More normal max is under 100. Because I am in the boonies I do quite a bit of mileage but regularly not long trips.

 

And there is a fast charger which I doubt I would need a few hundred yards away, 2 units and usually available.

 

The funny thing is they are doing road works and stopped to fill up yesterday and the pumps were out, the vibration from all the digging had knocked the system off, was able to pay inside and the guy working there was someone I know. So he filled me in.

 

We have the most expensive gas in Colorado so I normally try and fill up elsewhere.

 

I parked next to a Cyber Truck yesterday, they just look weird to me but no doubt time will change my perception.

I agree, 260 miles is generally within range, but of course one must factor in HVAC and battery temperature management which may drive the range down.  I also agree the CT just looks weird driving down the road.

 

Btw, my longest trip so far in 2024 was 1200 miles one-way with another 2000 mile trip planned in September.

[Crazy Cat 41,814]

3 hours ago, Boiler said:

At most one topup for most EVs, which one do they have?

I was told it took 7+ hours by another neighbor. Genesis (Maybe G60).  Looks like the EPA advertised range is about 290 miles.  I'm not sure, at what point, he recharged. The owner told me the car was fine for local driving, but not for driving outside Dallas.  I'll ask him again about the Houston trip....and about his driving habits...LOL

Edited June 17 by Crazy Cat

[Dashinka 24,481]

4 hours ago, Crazy Cat said:

I was told it took 7+ hours by another neighbor. Genesis (Maybe G60).  Looks like the EPA advertised range is about 290 miles.  I'm not sure, at what point, he recharged. The owner told me the car was fine for local driving, but not for driving outside Dallas.  I'll ask him again about the Houston trip....and about his driving habits...LOL

I get that.  I don’t trust fuel gauges myself, and driving range on electric is no different.  I would start looking for a charger when I got to around 80 miles left.  It is interesting, we have a lot of those Rivian Amazon trucks running around, and I often see them on a flatbed heading back to the distribution centers presumably out of power.

[Boiler 45,449]

I see lots of regular Rivians.

 

can not see why they would not have had to stop once for maybe 30 minutes.

[Crazy Cat 41,814]

I'll get the details....possible that my neighbor gave me bad info..LOL.

[W199 333]

I'll share my experience:

 

- In 2018, I got a Tesla model 3, long range AWD. It was a last minute decision because it was the last day to get the $10K in rebates. 

- Myself, and at dozen other people at work have a Tesla, and we all absolutely love it and can't imagine going back to an ICE.

- I have 125K miles on it, and its like new,  and have done  zero maintenance except for new wiper blades, and tires.

- I have saved countless thousands in gas, ooil changes, etc  since my local electricity is municipal and its so cheap, about $0.14, 

- The first set of original tires went shockingly fast .. but I replaced them with michelin cross climinate which are all-climate (not all season), and they are very long lasting.

- The can is an absolute joy to ride, and once I think saved my life when it blasted a siren warning me a car was about to rear end me ( i changed lanes, and a car in the right lane zipped at a crazy speed)

- It makes the daily commute to work, about 55 miles, so much easier. I can't live without it now. 

- It makes long trips, NY, Montreal, etc.. etc. so much easier and well, It is actually faster for me because I don't need long rests

- Long trips don't take me much longer because I stop for food, and the charge is done charging even beforuse I finish eating .. making me rush back to the car before I get charged for IDLE time. I actually enjoy the opportunity to stop and charge it for 25-35 minutes and stretch my legs, restroom, and snack

- But true, if you can drive 4-6 hours without these breaks, an ICE car could save you about an 1+ hours or so.

- I wouldn't buy an EV without the Tesla supercharger for this reason, But as you know, the superchargers will allow access to many non-tesla's cars soon, if not now.

- I've heard of many delays for people getting into accidents and needing repairs, but that hasn't happened to me.

- The "auto pilot" and "summon" are more of a useless novelty. But the adaptive cruise control and self-driving in the lane, and auto lane changes work fantastic and very help when distracted. In severe weather, when you need the self-driving the most, it doesn't work because the lines in the road are not visible and the cameras get blocked.

- Winter time, the range goes down significantly. If making short hops in the winter, letting the batteries cool, down, it really consumes the battery incredibly fast. I wouldn't buy it in a winter climate. But in Montreal I saw countless of them, perhaps because the electricity there is also so cheap.

- After my Wife gets her license, I'll give her the model 3, and buy myself a model Y, but I'm not going to get the "full self-driving package" for $8K. The extra insurance for a new driver for it is very painful. And even for an experienced driver, many insurance companies seem to be jacking up the rate. Need to shop around.

 

[TBoneTX 45,259]

25 minutes ago, W199 said:

I'll share my experience:  [...]

Thanks for your detailed, meaningful addition to the conversation.  Glad that you like yours!

[TBoneTX 45,259]

Dig this, just from today.

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Dealers Who Forked Out for Ford's 'Exclusive' EV 'Certification' Feel Like They Got ShEVved

 

[...] EV progress at Ford has come at a steep price for everyone involved, not just corporate mucky-mucks and the poor sods who were excited to be assigned to the Lightning line before they shut it down a couple of months later.

 

Dealers who'd paid over half to a million plus dollars to be Ford EV "certified" to be able to sell the all-electric things in what was billed as an exclusive "or else not at all" arrangement were kind of blown away at a surprise announcement out of corporate HQ last week.

Ford yanked the football.  [...]

 

https://hotair.com/tree-hugging-sister/2024/06/17/dealers-who-forked-out-for-fords-exclusive-ev-certification-feel-like-they-got-sheved-n3790428