Electric vehicles have an efficiency problem

[TBoneTX 45,251]

'It's a real thing':  Drivers and passengers report motion sickness in EVs

 

An oft-touted advantage of owning an electric vehicle is one-pedal driving, when drivers can slow down a vehicle simply by lifting off the throttle.

But as more Americans swap their gas-powered cars and trucks for an EV, some are also realizing there are drawbacks to the one-pedal lifestyle.

 
"It can cause some people to get sick," John Voelcker, a former editor of Green Car Reports and a contributing editor at Car and Driver, told ABC News.  "Strong regenerative braking, which recaptures max energy, can cause motion sickness.  There is a learning curve to lifting off the accelerator in an EV ... you have to modulate it."  [...]

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/real-thing-drivers-passengers-report-090017600.html

[Dashinka 24,479]

17 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

'It's a real thing':  Drivers and passengers report motion sickness in EVs

 

An oft-touted advantage of owning an electric vehicle is one-pedal driving, when drivers can slow down a vehicle simply by lifting off the throttle.

But as more Americans swap their gas-powered cars and trucks for an EV, some are also realizing there are drawbacks to the one-pedal lifestyle.

 
"It can cause some people to get sick," John Voelcker, a former editor of Green Car Reports and a contributing editor at Car and Driver, told ABC News.  "Strong regenerative braking, which recaptures max energy, can cause motion sickness.  There is a learning curve to lifting off the accelerator in an EV ... you have to modulate it."  [...]

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/real-thing-drivers-passengers-report-090017600.html

I know a lot of folks that get sick in ICE vehicles as well.  Honestly, I was driving on a test trip going down from a pass with a lot of switchbacks using just the transmission low gears to regulate the speed, and the test engineer in the back blew chunks when we finally stopped.  We laughed a lot.

 

That being said, the one pedal driving is a bit funky to get used to, but it does help save the brake pads when stopping a very heavy vehicle.  Also, it can be shut off at least in the EVs I drove.

[TBoneTX 45,251]

5 hours ago, Dashinka said:

the test engineer in the back blew chunks

Funny to everyone but him!   

[Dashinka 24,479]

On 5/9/2024 at 9:14 PM, Boiler said:

You might understand the shock that Hertz customer Joshua Lee felt when he saw the receipt for his rented Tesla Model 3. After returning the vehicle back to Hertz following a weekend vacation in Los Angeles, Lee noticed he was hit with additional charge of $277.39 on top of his initial reservation price. Why was he charged so much additional money? According to Hertz, that was the cost of refueling the electric Model 3. Unfortunately for Lee, the further he pried the company for information, the more Hertz doubled down, and the more confused he became.

 

When Lee made his reservation—the receipts for which were seen and confirmed by The Drive—he paid for the "Skip the Pump and Save Time" option, which allows customers to bring their rental cars back without refilling the gas tank. So even if he was driving a car that took gasoline, he shouldn't have been charged an additional refueling fee. OK—mistakes happen, and perhaps the person working at the counter accidentally checked the wrong box. However, when Lee submitted a billing question, Hertz doubled down on the refuel charge, despite the Tesla Model 3 not having a fuel tank to refill, and Lee having already paid for the "Skip the Pump" option.

 

You might ask, maybe Hertz was charging Lee for having to top the Model 3's battery upon its return? According to the final receipt, the customer gave the Model 3 back to Hertz with the battery 96% full, the exact same state of charge it was picked up with. And, even if Lee hadn't done that, the maximum fee should've been $35, per Hertz's EV recharging policy: "You can return your EV at any charge level and we’ll recharge it for $35—or just $25 for Gold Plus Rewards Members. Or, return it at the same level as pick-up and pay $0."

 

https://www.thedrive.com/news/hertz-is-charging-tesla-model-3-renter-277-fee-for-gas-wont-back-down

Apparently not an isolated incident.

 

https://www.thedrive.com/news/hertz-charging-a-tesla-renter-for-gas-was-not-an-isolated-incident

[TBoneTX 45,251]

Submitted both for the story and for the cool British spelling "tyres" (the only such spelling of which I approve).

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Electric car drivers face astronomical costs to replace tyres

 

Electric car buyers should be aware of the "astronomical" costs required to regularly replace short-lived tyres, owners have warned.

 

Car lover Jim Bassett managed just 7,500 miles in his brand new Volkswagen ID.3 before being quoted more than £300 to replace the rear rubber.

The 80-year-old stumped up the cash after being told it was common practice for tyres on his rear-wheel model to degrade rapidly due to the weight of the vehicle.  [...]

 

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/electric-hatchback-heavy-jeep-needed-110200363.html

[Boiler 45,445]

Someone has a very heavy foot.

 

I had to go over the pass this morning and the snow ice combination made things skittish and will need a new set before next winter, now they have 60,000 on them. Now they are legal and fine otherwise.

[Dashinka 24,479]

11 hours ago, Boiler said:

Someone has a very heavy foot.

 

I had to go over the pass this morning and the snow ice combination made things skittish and will need a new set before next winter, now they have 60,000 on them. Now they are legal and fine otherwise.

I don’t disagree, but it is interesting how the company responds (see below) in a hypocritical fashion.  Maybe the company should say if you want better tyre life, don’t buy an EV.
 

One of the big marketing strategies behind EV’s is they are fun to drive with instant torque, with 0-60 times regularly emphasized, low CoGs so cornering is great, etc.  I remember @Mike E telling us this was the main reason he bought his Tesla which is just fine.  The problem is that this marketing works for the early adopters, but as the vehicles go more mainstream, people will be surprised by how poor the tyre life is on EVs simply due to the massive weight increases of the vehicle, and not just because they are launching themselves from a stop sign or red light or trying to take a corner at 50.  We also need to remember that the tyre wear directly translates into emissions of particulates and VOCs.

 

A spokesman said: “Tyre longevity is influenced by a wide range of factors, most importantly the way in which the vehicle is driven, for example, hard cornering, braking and acceleration can cause more wear than gentle driving.”

[Boiler 45,445]

https://www.asdatyres.co.uk/215-60-16?season=all season

 

I do remember when I came over trying to find somewhere that sold tyres with no joy.

 

Anyway just for amusement sake I looked up the options in the UK for my car and the price seemed similar but a lot more options. Now I look for all season good in snow tires and obviously the latter is not relevant in the UK. So seems a lot more options in the UK but they do not do mileage guarantees or tire hazard protection, I get mine from Costco. Also they obviously sell EV  and Hybrid tires.

[Ban Hammer 13,327]

 

[Dashinka 24,479]

Hmm.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/parker-road-closed-near-the-pinery-due-to-ev-fire/ar-BB1nhbVG

[Dashinka 24,479]

Hmm, does this surprise anyone?

 

Shanghaied

https://robertbryce.substack.com/p/shanghaied-chinas-stranglehold-on-alt-energy

 

[TBoneTX 45,251]

Read the state-specific articles linked in here, too.

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The Wheels on an Electric Bus Need to Be Chocked and Other Things I Learned Today

 

[...] Even parking a school bus, particularly an expensive green electric one, is no longer as simple as "park," parking brake, and turning off the key.

 

Apparently, if you forget to throw chocks around the wheels, these buggers will roll on you.  And that's just for starters.

 

What a bargain electric buses are turning out to be.  [...]

 

https://hotair.com/tree-hugging-sister/2024/05/31/the-wheels-on-an-electric-bus-need-to-be-chocked-and-other-things-i-learned-today-n3789423

[Dashinka 24,479]

8 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Read the state-specific articles linked in here, too.

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The Wheels on an Electric Bus Need to Be Chocked and Other Things I Learned Today

 

[...] Even parking a school bus, particularly an expensive green electric one, is no longer as simple as "park," parking brake, and turning off the key.

 

Apparently, if you forget to throw chocks around the wheels, these buggers will roll on you.  And that's just for starters.

 

What a bargain electric buses are turning out to be.  [...]

 

https://hotair.com/tree-hugging-sister/2024/05/31/the-wheels-on-an-electric-bus-need-to-be-chocked-and-other-things-i-learned-today-n3789423

Not really a surprise with a vehicle like that.  We had to chock our fire truck wheels as well.

[TBoneTX 45,251]

13 hours ago, Dashinka said:

We had to chock our fire truck wheels

It takes only a couple of minutes and ensures safety, so this makes complete sense.

[TBoneTX 45,251]

Rental EVs:  Such a Painful Experience, It Hertz

 

It was cutting-edge, green-as-all-get-out, ahead of the curve, and wicked cool for bragging rights while it lasted, which wasn't very long.  Rental car giant Hertz is still dealing with the aftermath of its badly executed 2021 decision to go all-in on an Electric Vehicle fleet.  [...]

https://hotair.com/tree-hugging-sister/2024/06/07/rental-evs-such-a-painful-experience-it-hertz-n3789811