k1 visa and noobs

[cheeky^Wolf 0]

Here is my suggestion for a VJ site redesign:

VisaJourney.com

Your Family Immigration Community

READ THE F***ING GUIDES N00BS!!!!!!

[home][forums][news][guides][visa FAQ]

etc...

My goodness. Can we all just just imagine how many new people coming to VJ and seeing this kind of "Welcome Mat" will want to actually have anything to do with this site? Isn't the point of a site like this to draw people in? How will VJ survive in the long run if we stop the inflow of new people? It is exactly some of those new people will be become tomorrow's "Resident Experts" one day.

Warm Regards,

Samby

I'm sure Dr_LHA's post was tongue in cheek, but do agree with you on the VJ welcome mat and it's spikes.

[TinTin and Samby 11]

I think I suggested this before, not sure if it's possible but...

How about when a new member joins, they are emailed the guidelines like the VJ guides?

That way, if they ask a silly/annoying/repetitive question, they can be referred back to their email.

Dunno if I suggested this before too, but I kinda like the idea of having a journey buddy, who's been through it and can be relied upon to give or get answers to these questions.

I know it's worked for others and good friendships have been formed from them too. That way, if the buddy didn't know the answer, they could ask the question on the forums and would probably get a far quicker and more accurate response than a newbie.

Great thoughts, cheeky_wolf! I know when I first joined VJ, I got a very nice and helpful message in my inbox from sheriff uling regarding general guides as well as those specific to the Philippines. It was great info and a great 'welcome'. If there could be a way to automate that so to minimize the individual effort and time committment on people to do that, it would great!

Warm Regards,

Samby

[TinTin and Samby 11]

I agree with Stina.

This 'buddy' idea...isn't that the function of what VJ is?

Plus, this isn't a job!

But if they make it a job i promise to be here everyday

But Ionescu...you ARE here everyday! (hehehe)

Warm Regards,

Samby

[Dr_LHA 3]

While I agree, I know personally that I found it overwhelming when I asked a question on here and had 10 people saying 5 different things and I didn't know what or who to believe.

Yes, this is the trouble, the Signal to Noise ratio on VJ can be a bit bad, but I still think 10 differing opinions is probably better than 1 wrong opinion.

I'm not getting the legal liabilities thing.... I'm sueing YOU for telling ME to complete the wrong form? Half the forms on the USCIS website are out of date anyway.

Say you give some bad advice that leads to person's AOS being rejected, then they have to get a lawyer who asks them, "why did you do this?", they answer: I got this bad advice from VJ person X. Do I really need to explain what happens next, this is America after all. This sort of thing is why I keep myself pretty much anonymous on sites like this.

PS: Yes Samby, that post was a joke!

[Aniomaman 0]

I think your VJ actually lies in your hands and if u decide to take info because someone has gone thru it on the face value then you face whatever consequences if things get messed up. Some people are plain rude and good manners isn't something u buy in the market. When someone asks a questions, I believe it's because they feel they can trust you to answer or believe you could guide them and you just wonder why some nutters on here decide to be cockey instead of just ignoring you instead of saying something to piss you off. Most times VJ is not always the best place to ask for help. Your future lies in ur hands. . Bring it on

[Sinergy 3]

I'm feelin goofy. So I made you something else, Tara:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=80123

THANK YOU!!!!

[Sinergy 3]

I agree with Stina.

This 'buddy' idea...isn't that the function of what VJ is?

Plus, this isn't a job!

But if they make it a job i promise to be here everyday

But Ionescu...you ARE here everyday! (hehehe)

Warm Regards,

Samby

i know LOOL

[Caladan 19]

VJ's a site that mostly works by consensus, and so assigning a buddy is just a bad idea, because the way to get good information is to post a question and weed through people's experiences, not rely on one person to spoonfeed the answers.

But look, newbs could have read all of the instructions to the I-129F and still need confirmation. Maybe they're under a lot of pressure from someone's family to have a marriage here. Maybe they figure, "but I'm marrying the same person I was going to, we're not trying to get away with anything." And to be honest, pretty much everything else outside of immigration is a world where intent is more important than the letter of the rule, so I'm sure if this person bounces it off of his family or friends they probably say, 'how could it be a problem where the marriage is? You were single when you applied for the visa and received it'

If the n00bs are bothering you that much, take some time off.

[cheeky^Wolf 0]

While I agree, I know personally that I found it overwhelming when I asked a question on here and had 10 people saying 5 different things and I didn't know what or who to believe.

Yes, this is the trouble, the Signal to Noise ratio on VJ can be a bit bad, but I still think 10 differing opinions is probably better than 1 wrong opinion.

I'm not getting the legal liabilities thing.... I'm sueing YOU for telling ME to complete the wrong form? Half the forms on the USCIS website are out of date anyway.

Say you give some bad advice that leads to person's AOS being rejected, then they have to get a lawyer who asks them, "why did you do this?", they answer: I got this bad advice from VJ person X. Do I really need to explain what happens next, this is America after all. This sort of thing is why I keep myself pretty much anonymous on sites like this.

I'm not suggesting the buddy waivers their anonymity on VJ. I'm also not suggesting the buddy advises them on legal issues, just the general where does this go, what does this mean, how long will this take, am I normal etc etc.

[Mags 112]

Didn't even think of that perspective. Yipes!

The legal ramifications are huge.

It sounds like a good idea in theory, but when you start to think of all the things that could go wrong it doesn't bear thinking about.

What's the difference between VJ's (mis)advice and an individuals? I'm not suggesting people become immigration lawyers overnight, but just the bog standard questions that are asked daily. Like, where do I send this, do I need that, etc etc

Simply because it is a one on one situation which can be likened to one receiving legal advice regardless of what type of information it is that you tell them. Dr LHA's point below is a very valid one.

Say you give some bad advice that leads to person's AOS being rejected, then they have to get a lawyer who asks them, "why did you do this?", they answer: I got this bad advice from VJ person X. Do I really need to explain what happens next, this is America after all.

Edited July 27, 2007 by mags

[Sinergy 3]

noobs are not bothering me, nor am i complaining about NOOBS themselves.

its ONE question that seems to constantly pop up week after week.

I stated in my OP the question i am referring to.

[cheeky^Wolf 0]

Didn't even think of that perspective. Yipes!

The legal ramifications are huge.

It sounds like a good idea in theory, but when you start to think of all the things that could go wrong it doesn't bear thinking about.

What's the difference between VJ's (mis)advice and an individuals? I'm not suggesting people become immigration lawyers overnight, but just the bog standard questions that are asked daily. Like, where do I send this, do I need that, etc etc

Simply because it is a one on one situation which can be likened to one receiving legal advice regardless of what type of information it is that you tell them. Dr LHA's point below is a very valid one.

Say you give some bad advice that leads to person's AOS being rejected, then they have to get a lawyer who asks them, "why did you do this?", they answer: I got this bad advice from VJ person X. Do I really need to explain what happens next, this is America after all.

So if you ask a question on VJ and get 1 response which is incorrect, you can sue?

I think you're all paranoid!!

[~Nini~ 2]

Yeah, but the difference is when you get a person that accepts everything at face value without doing a bit of their own research, getting a second opinion, or misinterpreting the facts. Then that person gets upset because the buddy they put all their faith in has "misinformed" them.

Maybe not so much a case for lawsuit, but why put someone in a one-on-one situation when several opinions can bring a stronger case for or against the question that's been asked?

If there's a thread with varying opinions in it, it's up to the couple to judge for themselves 1) which facts seem most accurate and relevant to the original question, 2) what will work the best for their case, and 3) what needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

[Fandango 1,440]

We're not here to tell people exactly what to do....all this site is is anecdotal information.

[Dr_LHA 3]

So if you ask a question on VJ and get 1 response which is incorrect, you can sue?

I think you're all paranoid!!

Anybody can decide to sue over anything.

I think you've never been threatened with legal action before in the USA. I have.

People do it over all sorts of trivial things.