question about VWP

[SteveLaura 0]

Some stuff about Deed Poll

Including the Mr. Save Barnsley Football Club.

[rebeccajo 14]

Ok, deed poll or not.........the whole situation is pretty unlikely. You can't just POOF go into the passport office and change the name on a 10-year passport because you have to produce a birth cert.

[mawilson 2,133]

Ok, deed poll or not.........the whole situation is pretty unlikely. You can't just POOF go into the passport office and change the name on a 10-year passport because you have to produce a birth cert.

Yes, you can. I know it for a FACT. They don't change the name on an existing passport -

they issue a new one, even if the current one is valid until 2016.

Besides, let's say you have to produce a birth cert, so what? Regardless of how you obtain

the passport in the UK, USVisit will have no clue what your name was before you changed it.

[rebeccajo 14]

Ok, deed poll or not.........the whole situation is pretty unlikely. You can't just POOF go into the passport office and change the name on a 10-year passport because you have to produce a birth cert.

Yes, you can. I know it for a FACT. They don't change the name on an existing passport -

they issue a new one, even if the current one is valid until 2016.

Besides, let's say you have to produce a birth cert, so what? Regardless of how you obtain

the passport in the UK, USVisit will have no clue what your name was before you changed it.

How do I know? I've obviously never gotten a UK passport. You TOLD me that one needs a birth cert for a new passport or to replace a lost one. Are you trying to tell me that if you want to change your name on a UK passport, you take your birth cert in ALONG with a deed poll showing you under a new name, and the passport office will give you a new passport?

[mawilson 2,133]

How do I know? I've obviously never gotten a UK passport. You TOLD me that one needs a birth cert for a new passport or to replace a lost one. Are you trying to tell me that if you want to change your name on a UK passport, you take your birth cert in ALONG with a deed poll showing you under a new name, and the passport office will give you a new passport?

Exactly.

[rebeccajo 14]

How do I know? I've obviously never gotten a UK passport. You TOLD me that one needs a birth cert for a new passport or to replace a lost one. Are you trying to tell me that if you want to change your name on a UK passport, you take your birth cert in ALONG with a deed poll showing you under a new name, and the passport office will give you a new passport?

Exactly.

Well that's just retarded.

And because I can, I'm moving this thread to the UK forum for more enlightenment....................

[*julez* 124]

Regardless of all these facts, you still need to consider that one of the questions asked when applying for a Visa is regarding previous names and other aliases, so I think that makes this discussion invalid. IMO, of course.

Unless you think its OK to lie about that too.....

[mawilson 2,133]

Regardless of all these facts, you still need to consider that one of the questions asked when applying for a Visa is regarding previous names and other aliases, so I think that makes this discussion invalid. IMO, of course.

Unless you think its OK to lie about that too.....

Lie once and you pretty much have to keep lying for the rest of your life.

[*julez* 124]

Regardless of all these facts, you still need to consider that one of the questions asked when applying for a Visa is regarding previous names and other aliases, so I think that makes this discussion invalid. IMO, of course.

Unless you think its OK to lie about that too.....

Lie once and you pretty much have to keep lying for the rest of your life.

Well, it seems hard to believe that one could actually get approved for a Visa using a simple name change, particulalrly since you do actually need to submit copies of this like your birth cert.

I just don't thenk the scenario you described in this thread could actually work in reality.

[mawilson 2,133]

Well, it seems hard to believe that one could actually get approved for a Visa using a simple name change, particulalrly since you do actually need to submit copies of this like your birth cert.

I just don't thenk the scenario you described in this thread could actually work in reality.

No - use the temporary name to #### US-VISIT - let the system record a fake name.

Use your real name to apply for a visa.

[Arla 0]

With regards to changing your name and asking for a new passport, mawilson is correct in everything he's said. I've just renewed my passport with a change of name - my passport wasn't close to running out and my birth certificate was not required. All they needed was the old passport and the certificate to say my name had changed.

[*julez* 124]

Well, it seems hard to believe that one could actually get approved for a Visa using a simple name change, particulalrly since you do actually need to submit copies of this like your birth cert.

I just don't thenk the scenario you described in this thread could actually work in reality.

No - use the temporary name to #### US-VISIT - let the system record a fake name.

Use your real name to apply for a visa.

Aha, gotcha!!! Gotta hand it to ya, that's pretty devious. You can tell how innocent I am I'd never even think to try pull that off!

[rebeccajo 14]

With regards to changing your name and asking for a new passport, mawilson is correct in everything he's said. I've just renewed my passport with a change of name - my passport wasn't close to running out and my birth certificate was not required. All they needed was the old passport and the certificate to say my name had changed.

Oh, I don't doubt that what Mark is saying is true.

I seriously doubt though, that the deception could be as simple as Mark describes. All passports carry a number. So, even though you change your name and the UK issued you a 'new' passport - I wonder if they issue you a new passport number? I doubt it. And even if they do - the machine readable data on the new passport probably links it to the old.

[mawilson 2,133]

I seriously doubt though, that the deception could be as simple as Mark describes. All passports carry a number. So, even though you change your name and the UK issued you a 'new' passport - I wonder if they issue you a new passport number? I doubt it. And even if they do - the machine readable data on the new passport probably links it to the old.

As someone who has lost a number of passports, I can tell you with confidence that

UK passport numbers are unique, as is the machine readable data on them (which

I also happen to know how to encode and decode.)

The only thing that 'links' the new passport to the old one is the date of birth (even

the place of birth is not encoded to be machine-readable.)

Edited July 27, 2007 by mawilson

[john_and_marlene 162]

Ok, deed poll or not.........the whole situation is pretty unlikely. You can't just POOF go into the passport office and change the name on a 10-year passport because you have to produce a birth cert.

Yes, you can. I know it for a FACT. They don't change the name on an existing passport -

they issue a new one, even if the current one is valid until 2016.

Besides, let's say you have to produce a birth cert, so what? Regardless of how you obtain

the passport in the UK, USVisit will have no clue what your name was before you changed it.

How would you complete the space on the immigration forms for "Other names used"???????