Proof of being unmarried.

[Mundo254 49]

Hi VJ,

 

One of the key requirements for the F2B visa is that one has to be unmarried. I also understand at the embassy one has to back up info provided on the DS260 with documentation and proof. Being unmarried is a major requirement when pursuing this visa.

 

That said, does one need to prove this through documentation or they will just 'trust' your word? If so, how do you even prove this?

[Boiler 45,443]

Sadly here on VJ we have had cases where people have lied about their marriage situation. You can not prove you are not married.

[Mundo254 49]

1 hour ago, Boiler said:

Sadly here on VJ we have had cases where people have lied about their marriage situation. You can not prove you are not married.

Its unfortunate that happens here on VJ.Its also sad that such instances have made people here on VJ be suspect of anybody with legitimate concerns/questions. Hopefully I'll get the answers.

[Kanke 11]

One acceptable way to proof your non-marital status is perhaps by providing document's given by your local government manicipality office. I think that's the best way you can proof your claim of non-marriage to the embassy and NVC. I don't see any other legitimate way to proof that you are non-married.

[Boiler 45,443]

36 minutes ago, Kanke said:

One acceptable way to proof your non-marital status is perhaps by providing document's given by your local government municipality office. I think that's the best way you can proof your claim of non-marriage to the embassy and NVC. I don't see any other legitimate way to proof that you are non-married.

What if you married somewhere other than your local government municipality office?

[Crazy Cat 41,809]

1 hour ago, Kanke said:

One acceptable way to proof your non-marital status is perhaps by providing document's given by your local government manicipality office.

It only proves you weren't married there.  Nothing more.  There is no real way to prove you have not married.

Edited May 14, 2023 by Crazy Cat

[Kanke 11]

Regardless, the only legitimate way through which a visa applicant  can proof to the embassy that he/she has never been married is by providing non-marital document given by local government manicipality. And that's what embassies and other officials usually request as proof of non-marriage status. I believe that is what the questioner is trying to ask.

 

In interest of the questioner, it would be more befitting to suggest any other way you know of to support his claim of being "never married" to the embassy through documentation than generalising that there is no way to proof. I beleive that would be of much help to the questioner. 

[SalishSea 17,801]

19 hours ago, Kanke said:

Regardless, the only legitimate way through which a visa applicant  can proof to the embassy that he/she has never been married is by providing non-marital document given by local government manicipality. And that's what embassies and other officials usually request as proof of non-marriage status. I believe that is what the questioner is trying to ask.

 

In interest of the questioner, it would be more befitting to suggest any other way you know of to support his claim of being "never married" to the embassy through documentation than generalising that there is no way to proof. I beleive that would be of much help to the questioner. 

What you are missing is that there is no way to prove a negative.   There is no way to prove someone wasn’t married somewhere on earth.   If you think about it, it makes sense and is precisely why such documents are not requested or required by the United States department of state or USCIS.

[Kanke 11]

2 hours ago, SalishSea said:

What you are missing is that there is no way to prove a negative.   There is no way to prove someone wasn’t married somewhere on earth.   If you think about it, it makes sense and is precisely why such documents are not requested or required by the United States department of state or USCIS.

It doesn't make sense at all to say that 'there is no way to proof a negative.' I think you are the one who is missing critical point here. We have seen the state department requesting non-marital certificate for those cases wherein the benificiary has to remain unmarried until getting his/her green card. If you think your statement and generalisation holds true, perhaps you need to explain why state department/US embassies and even other embassies have to request a non-marital certificate for the F2B visa categories as proof of being single and never married. 

[SalishSea 17,801]

43 minutes ago, Kanke said:

It doesn't make sense at all to say that 'there is no way to proof a negative.' I think you are the one who is missing critical point here. We have seen the state department requesting non-marital certificate for those cases wherein the benificiary has to remain unmarried until getting his/her green card. If you think your statement and generalisation holds true, perhaps you need to explain why state department/US embassies and even other embassies have to request a non-marital certificate for the F2B visa categories as proof of being single and never married. 

Any local certificate you could obtain does not “prove” you’re unmarried, just that a marriage did not take place in that particular place.    Get it?

[Boiler 45,443]

1 hour ago, Kanke said:

It doesn't make sense at all to say that 'there is no way to proof a negative.' I think you are the one who is missing critical point here. We have seen the state department requesting non-marital certificate for those cases wherein the benificiary has to remain unmarried until getting his/her green card. If you think your statement and generalisation holds true, perhaps you need to explain why state department/US embassies and even other embassies have to request a non-marital certificate for the F2B visa categories as proof of being single and never married. 

Where a Consulate requires a specific document they specify what it is. Where you get it from, what it looks like so not sure I see the issue.

[Kanke 11]

3 hours ago, SalishSea said:

Any local certificate you could obtain does not “prove” you’re unmarried, just that a marriage did not take place in that particular place.    Get it?

You see, referring to the non-marital certificate, earlier you said "such documents are not requested or required by the state department", which is a complete bogus. As a matter of fact,  it's a requirement by most embassies and immigration departments of most countries to support your claim of being single with a non-marital document.

Having said that, you are still not able to explain why embassies have to request this document, if it doesn't serve them to as evidence to proof that the person is never married.

This indicates that the most acceptable documentation to proof that you are not married is by showing an authentic non-marital certificate, end of strory! Unless you can proof me wrong on my statement that "immigration departments and embassies are requesting this document as proof of no marriage", it appears pointless and illogical to discuss further. 

[Kanke 11]

Yes brother, based on other's experiences, the best way to back your no "marriage status" is by providing authentic non-marital certificate. I hope this clarifies your doubt. 

[Chancy 6,241]

2 hours ago, Kanke said:

Unless you can proof me wrong on my statement that "immigration departments and embassies are requesting this document as proof of no marriage", it appears pointless and illogical to discuss further. 

 

The official Department of State website proves you're definitely wrong.  I know that Philippine nationals are required to present a "certificate of no marriage" document, but that is in the tiny minority of nationalities required to do so.  Go ahead and count how many consulates require it.  We'll wait.  Here's the full list -- https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/Visa-Reciprocity-and-Civil-Documents-by-Country.html

 

Edited May 16, 2023 by Chancy
clarification

[Crazy Cat 41,809]

7 hours ago, Kanke said:

This indicates that the most acceptable documentation to proof that you are not married is by showing an authentic non-marital certificate, end of strory!

Do you agree that I could marry somewhere outside my country, then obtain a "no Marriage" certificate inside my country?  Yes or no???  If the answer is "Yes" (which it certainly is), then the "no marriage" certificate proved nothing.  It satisfied a requirement, yet it did not really prove I was not married (somewhere).

Edited May 16, 2023 by Crazy Cat