Texas governor decried for ‘disgusting’ rhetoric in wake of mass shooting

[Family 3,988]

4 hours ago, ROK2USA said:

Gun laws really need to be enforced though... How was he able to access a gun

Texas gun dealers “lose” more guns than any other state, though I am quite sure insurance claims cover their loss. Residents are not even required to make a police report for a lost/stolen gum. Oddly enough, 40% of guns used to commit crimes in Mexico are Texas guns…so local street market for unregulated guns is flush with easy access.

 

Some numbers here, by a group of survivors of a Texas mass shooting. ..

https://www.txgunsense.org/articles/texas-gun-violence-facts

[Dashinka 24,480]

1 hour ago, MarJhi said:

I don't know what gun laws could have prevented this when the guy obviously cared nothing about laws to begin with. The man was deported 4 times and arrested for DUI. If he faced no consequences for those actions we are only training him that he is invincible in terms of punishment. He never should have been in this country or at a bare minimum should have been in prison for his repeated prior transgressions. Allowing him to be in this country when he had proven himself to be a bad apple is a major factor in the deaths of those people. Laws not enforced are not respected. There is no legal way in which this man accessed a firearm in the US.

When people are allowed to do bad things with little or no consequences it seems common sense that they will continue to do the bad things.

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3 minutes ago, Family said:

Texas gun dealers “lose” more guns than any other state, though I am quite sure insurance claims cover their loss. Residents are not even required to make a police report for a lost/stolen gum. Oddly enough, 40% of guns used to commit crimes in Mexico are Texas guns…so local street market for unregulated guns is flush with easy access.

 

Some numbers here, by a group of survivors of a Texas mass shooting. ..

https://www.txgunsense.org/articles/texas-gun-violence-facts

Not exactly an independent source but they did say lost of stolen. There was a shop in Denver I know that was broken into, anything can be broken into and that place was a mini fortress.

 

Insurance does not work that way, now I do not know what the security requirements Insurers require for Gun Dealers are, never mind in Texas, but I would think they are quite significant.

 

Not sure I can find it now but remember seeing  a video from security cameras of a hold up of a Gun Shop, not the brightest move, one won a Darwin award. 

[Dashinka 24,480]

10 minutes ago, Family said:

Texas gun dealers “lose” more guns than any other state, though I am quite sure insurance claims cover their loss. Residents are not even required to make a police report for a lost/stolen gum. Oddly enough, 40% of guns used to commit crimes in Mexico are Texas guns…so local street market for unregulated guns is flush with easy access.

 

Some numbers here, by a group of survivors of a Texas mass shooting. ..

https://www.txgunsense.org/articles/texas-gun-violence-facts

Can you define a common sense gun law?  It was a phrase used in your link and I was curious.

[MarJhi 958]

1 hour ago, Family said:

40% of guns used to commit crimes in Mexico are Texas guns

100% of people killed in this event were murdered by someone who is not a Texan, not an American and never should have been in this country unless he was in a prison cell for his repeated felonies.

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The Border is secure per J Biden

[Family 3,988]

Mass shootings are an American Tragedy, no matter the demographic profile of the shooter. ..though I venture to say they are mostly men and young boys with easy access to the Man Card campaign of the billion $ industry. 
As for common sense, some nations ( Norway, New Zealand..) looked at our other recent Texas  tragedy and said ..Enough, No More.

 

Of course, the most vocal critics are victims…
 

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/01/greg-abbott-illegal-immigrants-shooting-victims-texas/

Fred Guttenberg, an outspoken activist and father of a victim of the 2018 Parkland, Florida, school shooting. “This shooting has nothing to do with immigration status and much to do with your policies. 

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Certainly in this case the policy is very clear.

[TBoneTX 45,259]

What mystifies me is how they want to confiscate all guns from everyone, except from the criminals who will never turn them in, when anyone with the knowledge and the proper tools can make a gun.

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I thought they were wanted background checks or limited capacity magazines or something 

 

Seems to change all the time, I know black guns are bad for some reason

[TBoneTX 45,259]

Anyway, what's most important is whether the gun that the murderer used was illegal and should be banned, not whether the murderer himself was illegal.

[Dashinka 24,480]

2 hours ago, Family said:

Mass shootings are an American Tragedy, no matter the demographic profile of the shooter. ..though I venture to say they are mostly men and young boys with easy access to the Man Card campaign of the billion $ industry. 
As for common sense, some nations ( Norway, New Zealand..) looked at our other recent Texas  tragedy and said ..Enough, No More.

 

Of course, the most vocal critics are victims…
 

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/01/greg-abbott-illegal-immigrants-shooting-victims-texas/

Fred Guttenberg, an outspoken activist and father of a victim of the 2018 Parkland, Florida, school shooting. “This shooting has nothing to do with immigration status and much to do with your policies. 

Yep, always good to have a government that is not afraid to oppress their citizenry.  So you still did not answer my question regarding what new “common sense” laws would have made a difference?  We recently had a shooting at a college campus in Michigan.  The shooter had been arrested previously for carrying an illegal firearm, a felony with up to five years in prison according to existing laws.  Of course a prosecutor decided they needed to strike it down to a misdemeanor.  If he had been in prison according to existing gun laws, the shooting does not happen  I can get behind one common sense new gun law, if found with and convicted of possessing an illegal firearm, five years of prison for the first offense, and 10 years after that with no allowance for prosecutorial discretion.

[seekingthetruth 1,246]

8 hours ago, MarJhi said:

Laws not enforced are not respected.

Welcome to the Philippines!  Sorry, off topic.

[MarJhi 958]

4 hours ago, Family said:

Mass shootings are an American Tragedy, no matter the demographic profile of the shooter. ..though I venture to say they are mostly men and young boys with easy access to the Man Card campaign of the billion $ industry. 
As for common sense, some nations ( Norway, New Zealand..) looked at our other recent Texas  tragedy and said ..Enough, No More.

 

Of course, the most vocal critics are victims…
 

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/01/greg-abbott-illegal-immigrants-shooting-victims-texas/

Fred Guttenberg, an outspoken activist and father of a victim of the 2018 Parkland, Florida, school shooting. “This shooting has nothing to do with immigration status and much to do with your policies. 

Cool, since we are cherry picking data from other countries,  let's compare Brazil and Japan, 2 countries that for many years had very similar (and very restrictive) gun laws  but very different outcomes. Is it the gun or is it the culture? Japan is a largely homogeneous country, geographically isolated in terms of sharing a border and has an expectation of how to behave instilled in them at a young age. New Zealand and Norway would fit more in the Japanese mold than the Brazilian.

 

Find me a country that fits in the US mold, a wealthy, multi cultural nation that shares a wide open border with a neighbor who facilitates illegal immigration on a massive scale. Also they need to have an executive branch who has no interest in securing that border and a bureaucracy that is intentionally apathetic. Find me that country and let's make an apples to apples comparison.

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[seekingthetruth 1,246]

6 minutes ago, MarJhi said:

Find me a country that fits in the US mold, a wealthy, multi cultural nation that shares a wide open border with a neighbor who facilitates illegal immigration on a massive scale. Also they need to have an executive branch who has no interest in securing that border and a bureaucracy that is intentionally apathetic. Find me that country and let's make an apples to apples comparison.

Add to that a huge mental health problem, especially in younger people, and over medication of same, all to the benefit of big pharma.