Texas governor decried for ‘disgusting’ rhetoric in wake of mass shooting

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/01/texas-mass-shooting-victims-cleveland-greg-abbott
 

“I’ve announced a $50K reward for info on the criminal who killed 5 illegal immigrants Friday. Also directed #OperationLoneStar to be on the lookout. I continue working with state & local officials to ensure all available resources are deployed to respond.”

 

Thoughts? 
 

Apparently the shooter had been deported 4 times and was undocumented, too. 
 

 

[Dashinka 24,481]

Was anything he said not factual?  Also, how does this event reflect the state of the gun laws in Texas?  To my knowledge an illegal immigrant is not allowed to legally purchase a firearm.

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4 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Was anything he said not factual?  Also, how does this event reflect the state of the gun laws in Texas?  To my knowledge an illegal immigrant is not allowed to legally purchase a firearm.

One of the victims was apparently an LPR. 
 But, why highlight the status of the victims and not the status of the shooter? 
Also, if one of the victims was a successful asylum seeker the others might also be asylum seekers waiting for their case to be adjudicated. 

[Dashinka 24,481]

29 minutes ago, ROK2USA said:

One of the victims was apparently an LPR. 
 But, why highlight the status of the victims and not the status of the shooter? 
Also, if one of the victims was a successful asylum seeker the others might also be asylum seekers waiting for their case to be adjudicated. 

Did he highlight them apart from the shooter?   Even the story from the Left Leaning Guardian said Abbott mentioned the shooter was illegal.  Btw, the CNN story did not discuss the status of the victims, so not really sure how we can say one was possibly an LPR.  I do agree with the sheriff that the status of the victims is irrelevant, but if the governor knows this status, there is nothing that should keep him from using that information.

 

I know the Leftist organizations hate it when the facts may get in the way of their narrative, and of course in this case they want to further attack gun laws which would not have made a difference in this case.  In the end, this was a tragedy that could have been prevented if we had a secure border that kept the shooter out after he was deported the first time.

[TBoneTX 45,259]

The Houston Chronicle stories have very carefully avoided any mention of the (il)legality of the victims.

The shooter had indeed been deported multiple times, and illegally possessed the firearm.

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FBI Retracts Image of Man Wrongly Identified as Cleveland, TX Murder Suspect, Other Mistakes Made

 

Unfortunately, there have been some mistakes made in this case.

 

https://redstate.com/brutalbrittany/2023/05/01/fbi-retracts-image-of-man-wrongly-identified-as-cleveland-tx-murder-suspect-other-mistakes-made-n739659

[Timona 4,207]

I'm just here to note that the guy who died was 18 years old and his girlfriend, who also died, was 31 years old. I'm not sure what to call this other than getting bedroom experience. 

 

Tragic story, nonetheless.

 

I'm curious to see where there perpetrator will be captured. All parties were illegals, so not even sure if US has jurisdiction here. 

Edited May 2, 2023 by Timona

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8 hours ago, Dashinka said:

I know the Leftist organizations hate it when the facts may get in the way of their narrative, and of course in this case they want to further attack gun laws which would not have made a difference in this case.

The shooter was in the country illegally, so he clearly didn't care about that law.

 

The shooter had possession of a firearm illegally, he didn't care about that law.

 

The shooter murdered people, he didn't care about that law. 

 

No gun laws would have prevented this tragedy, but it's very possible keeping this individual from being inside the US would have.

[MarJhi 958]

9 hours ago, ROK2USA said:

But, why highlight the status of the victims and not the status of the shooter?

Could it be possible that the governor did not know the immigration status of the shooter at the time of his statement? 

[TBoneTX 45,259]

1 hour ago, Timona said:

All parties were illegals

It was clarified that one of the deceased was apparently an LPR with a valid green card.

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15 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Did he highlight them apart from the shooter?   Even the story from the Left Leaning Guardian said Abbott mentioned the shooter was illegal.  Btw, the CNN story did not discuss the status of the victims, so not really sure how we can say one was possibly an LPR.  I do agree with the sheriff that the status of the victims is irrelevant, but if the governor knows this status, there is nothing that should keep him from using that information.

 

 

16 hours ago, ROK2USA said:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/01/texas-mass-shooting-victims-cleveland-greg-abbott
 

“I’ve announced a $50K reward for info on the criminal who killed 5 illegal immigrants Friday. Also directed #OperationLoneStar to be on the lookout. I continue working with state & local officials to ensure all available resources are deployed to respond.”

 

 I think people are mostly responding to the content of his tweet. The words I put in quotes in my OP. 

 

6 hours ago, MarJhi said:

Could it be possible that the governor did not know the immigration status of the shooter at the time of his statement? 

He might not have known that... but one of the issues people are talking about is this might encourage vigilantes to go out and "take care of" undocumented people themselves... IDK. I hate when a story devolves from the actual crime and trying to create policies to correct the problem to word choice issues... But, IMO his choice to (incorrectly) paint all the victims as "illegals' and omit mentioning the status of the shooter is just not a great choice. 

 

Gun laws really need to be enforced though... How was he able to access a gun?

Then in one of the stories it mentions the family had called the police 4 times and it took forever for them to respond because they lived in a rural area... Just a tragedy all around... 

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1 hour ago, ROK2USA said:

 

 I think people are mostly responding to the content of his tweet. The words I put in quotes in my OP. 

 

He might not have known that... but one of the issues people are talking about is this might encourage vigilantes to go out and "take care of" undocumented people themselves... IDK. I hate when a story devolves from the actual crime and trying to create policies to correct the problem to word choice issues... But, IMO his choice to (incorrectly) paint all the victims as "illegals' and omit mentioning the status of the shooter is just not a great choice. 

 

Gun laws really need to be enforced though... How was he able to access a gun?

Then in one of the stories it mentions the family had called the police 4 times and it took forever for them to respond because they lived in a rural area... Just a tragedy all around... 

Maybe the gun was one of Obama's Fast and Furious guns.  That being said, there was a problem with the police response if they were called multiple times, knew his status and knew he had illegal firearms.  He should have been locked up.

 

As to the activists shouting this will lead to vigilantes, I doubt that happens just because of this especially since the shooter was illegal.  Think Chicago.

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2 hours ago, ROK2USA said:

 

 I think people are mostly responding to the content of his tweet. The words I put in quotes in my OP. 

 

He might not have known that... but one of the issues people are talking about is this might encourage vigilantes to go out and "take care of" undocumented people themselves... IDK. I hate when a story devolves from the actual crime and trying to create policies to correct the problem to word choice issues... But, IMO his choice to (incorrectly) paint all the victims as "illegals' and omit mentioning the status of the shooter is just not a great choice. 

 

Gun laws really need to be enforced though... How was he able to access a gun?

Then in one of the stories it mentions the family had called the police 4 times and it took forever for them to respond because they lived in a rural area... Just a tragedy all around... 

I don't know what gun laws could have prevented this when the guy obviously cared nothing about laws to begin with. The man was deported 4 times and arrested for DUI. If he faced no consequences for those actions we are only training him that he is invincible in terms of punishment. He never should have been in this country or at a bare minimum should have been in prison for his repeated prior transgressions. Allowing him to be in this country when he had proven himself to be a bad apple is a major factor in the deaths of those people. Laws not enforced are not respected. There is no legal way in which this man accessed a firearm in the US.

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Being deported and returning illegally is a felony.

[TBoneTX 45,259]

4 hours ago, ROK2USA said:

the family had called the police 4 times and it took forever for them to respond

One of the survivors (covering up children with his body) claimed that he was on the phone with the police and they said that they were already there, but they weren't.