For some electric vehicle owners, recharging now more costly than filling up

[Dashinka 24,478]

Wait, so the payback period is now infinite?

 

For some electric vehicle owners, recharging now more costly than filling up

"We are in pretty much the same boat in [New Hampshire] and it sucks," said another user. "Went from an average of $220 a month electric bill... to now close to $400 a month and thats with off peak charging, and its supposed to go up again significantly in February." The rate hike pushed the user to sign up for a solar array, with a monthly bill around half their current power bill, the person added.

 

To be sure, these drivers are a small minority of EV owners nationwide. But the episode illustrates how the volatility of fuel prices can complicate the equation when choosing between an electric and a conventional combustion-engine vehicle. And given the higher sticker prices for EVs — which can cost at least $10,000 more than the equivalent gas-powered car — that could tip the balance for some car buyers.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/electric-car-2023-costs-gas-vehicles/

 

[Mike E 11,739]

FTA:

“One Massachusetts resident said their power company, National Grid, jacked up local electricity prices to 44 cents per kilowatt-hour — three times the national average.”

 

https://www.nationalgridus.com/media/pdfs/billing-payments/electric-rates/ma/cm4394_maweb.pdf
 

Does not look like residential customers in Massachusetts get a time of use rate like California and Arizona. I was paying 30 cents a kWh in California for off peak and in AZ I pay 14 cents. So it is always cheaper to charge my Tesla than to gas up my Mercedes, because California / Phoenix gasoline is expensive.

 

I wonder why the Massachusetts government is so anti EV. 
 

Even CA is anti EV compared to AZ.

 

In CA when you register your EV, to use it in the HOV lanes with a single occupant you have to go through a separate process to pay for and get HOV decals. And if your EV is too old you cannot get them.

 

Whereas in AZ, EVs have to get the lame sky blue plate, and it lets you use the HOV lanes in Phoenix.

 

So AZ, a state that was owned by the GOP from 2009 - 2023, loves EV and CA and MA hate EVs. IOW, in AZ the GOP cares about CO2 emissions, smog, and using fuels that fund terrorists and despots from Russia and the middle east, and in CA and MA the Democrat has the opposite view.

 

Why is that?

 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

For some of you that Interact with me on SM, you know I have been on a 2.5 week vacation courtesy of the singles.

 

Most of you also know I am kinda in the middle on EV's.  I do think they are a fit for some consumers. They can make economical and environmental sense in some applications but are not the savior of the world yet. 

 

For me to own one I would have to have way more money than I have now and want a toy.

 

Anyway I got back to work. On the 20th and I  preparing to walk the used car lot.. I have owned 3 mustangs and love the model. All v8s with some modifications.  Low and behold we have a mustang on the lot.

 

I get down to it and it is some crossover totaly electric abomination before God with Mustang badges on it. What was Ford thinking? It was as bad as the Budlight trans thing. I felt violated.  Why not just make a crossover EV and not pervert this American classic. 

 

 

[Dashinka 24,478]

15 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

For some of you that Interact with me on SM, you know I have been on a 2.5 week vacation courtesy of the singles.

 

Most of you also know I am kinda in the middle on EV's.  I do think they are a fit for some consumers. They can make economical and environmental sense in some applications but are not the savior of the world yet. 

 

For me to own one I would have to have way more money than I have now and want a toy.

 

Anyway I got back to work. On the 20th and I  preparing to walk the used car lot.. I have owned 3 mustangs and love the model. All v8s with some modifications.  Low and behold we have a mustang on the lot.

 

I get down to it and it is some crossover totaly electric abomination before God with Mustang badges on it. What was Ford thinking? It was as bad as the Budlight trans thing. I felt violated.  Why not just make a crossover EV and not pervert this American classic. 

 

 

"singles"?  Is that an NBism?

[Dashinka 24,478]

On 4/17/2023 at 10:51 AM, Mike E said:

FTA:

“One Massachusetts resident said their power company, National Grid, jacked up local electricity prices to 44 cents per kilowatt-hour — three times the national average.”

 

https://www.nationalgridus.com/media/pdfs/billing-payments/electric-rates/ma/cm4394_maweb.pdf
 

Does not look like residential customers in Massachusetts get a time of use rate like California and Arizona. I was paying 30 cents a kWh in California for off peak and in AZ I pay 14 cents. So it is always cheaper to charge my Tesla than to gas up my Mercedes, because California / Phoenix gasoline is expensive.

 

I wonder why the Massachusetts government is so anti EV. 
 

Even CA is anti EV compared to AZ.

 

In CA when you register your EV, to use it in the HOV lanes with a single occupant you have to go through a separate process to pay for and get HOV decals. And if your EV is too old you cannot get them.

 

Whereas in AZ, EVs have to get the lame sky blue plate, and it lets you use the HOV lanes in Phoenix.

 

So AZ, a state that was owned by the GOP from 2009 - 2023, loves EV and CA and MA hate EVs. IOW, in AZ the GOP cares about CO2 emissions, smog, and using fuels that fund terrorists and despots from Russia and the middle east, and in CA and MA the Democrat has the opposite view.

 

Why is that?

 

Why is an older EV prohibited from getting an HOV sticker in CA?  As to the whole HOV tax, well, CA needs money.

[Mike E 11,739]

2 hours ago, Dashinka said:

As to the whole HOV tax, well, CA needs money.

For what, exactly?

[TBoneTX 45,244]

1 hour ago, Mike E said:

For what, exactly?

Reparations!   

[Dashinka 24,478]

1 hour ago, Mike E said:

For what, exactly?

What TBone said, plus aren't they still building a train.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

9 hours ago, Dashinka said:

"singles"?  Is that an NBism?

it was supposed to be shingles, but we can work with it. You would think that with the price I pay for Rhododendron status some ungrateful mod would have caught that  

Edited April 24, 2023 by Nature Boy 2.0

[TBoneTX 45,244]

33 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

it was supposed to be shingles, but we can work with it. You would think that with the price I pay for Rhododendron status some ungrateful mod would have caught that  

Prices have gone up.   

[Ban Hammer 13,326]

On 4/23/2023 at 5:38 PM, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

For some of you that Interact with me on SM, you know I have been on a 2.5 week vacation courtesy of the singles.

 

don't make the wife mad and you won't have to sleep in the doghouse.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

2 hours ago, Ban Hammer said:

don't make the wife mad and you won't have to sleep in the doghouse.

I run my house

[TBoneTX 45,244]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I run my house

How far does it run on one electric charge?

[Ban Hammer 13,326]

2 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I run my house

when are you going to tell her that?

[Dashinka 24,478]

8 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

it was supposed to be shingles, but we can work with it. You would think that with the price I pay for Rhododendron status some ungrateful mod would have caught that  

they have a jab for that.