Exec who served in Clinton and Obama administrations killed by turbulence on jet over New England

[yuna628 9,646]

13 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

I can find about 7 since 1980, and two of those died weeks after the event.  This one is the first since 1997 during a brief web search.   Typically it's just injuries, not deaths.

Typically is the key word here. And evidence shows historically, that deaths can and do occur. Thankfully it's mostly injuries - from minor all the way to severe (we're talking about people that did get spine and head injuries here). It usually almost always happens when the person is not following safety protocol. She was on a private small jet, and I'd imagine people are less likely to follow protocols. We don't know the circumstances, other than there was severe turbulence (and there were many instances of that with severe injuries in Feb-Mar already). People can take small bumps to the head during skiing (like Natasha Richardson) and appear fine for hours, before dying - where someone else may be perfectly fine. A lot of it is fluke luck of the bad draw. Some people don't care about their safety on flights.

[Boiler 44,824]

Used to amuse me being instructed about flotation devices flying across the Atlantic.

 

So we are going to crash from 30,000 ft. somehow survive that, then get out, and survive for how long in water a few degrees above freezing.

[Dashinka 24,088]

5 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Touche lol. Btw I hate addendum and such junk. I am really to honest to be a car salesman and hope to get out of it soon 

No undercoating?

[Boiler 44,824]

3 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

No undercoating?

and Paint Protection

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,361]

1 hour ago, Boiler said:

and Paint Protection

Pin stripes. Nitrogen etc

[Boiler 44,824]

I thought Nitrogen is free at Costco

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,361]

1 hour ago, Boiler said:

I thought Nitrogen is free at Costco

It's free here also. It being of Any real benefit is a debate . 

[yuna628 9,646]

3 hours ago, Boiler said:

Used to amuse me being instructed about flotation devices flying across the Atlantic.

 

So we are going to crash from 30,000 ft. somehow survive that, then get out, and survive for how long in water a few degrees above freezing.

Well I always wonder about that. It says 95% of crashes are survivable? I guess one notable use for the flotation device scenario would have been the Capt. Sully crash?

[Ban Hammer 13,098]

6 hours ago, Boiler said:

Used to amuse me being instructed about flotation devices flying across the Atlantic.

 

So we are going to crash from 30,000 ft. somehow survive that, then get out, and survive for how long in water a few degrees above freezing.

it's to make you easier for the sharks to find.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

10 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Typically is the key word here. And evidence shows historically, that deaths can and do occur. Thankfully it's mostly injuries - from minor all the way to severe (we're talking about people that did get spine and head injuries here). It usually almost always happens when the person is not following safety protocol. She was on a private small jet, and I'd imagine people are less likely to follow protocols. We don't know the circumstances, other than there was severe turbulence (and there were many instances of that with severe injuries in Feb-Mar already). People can take small bumps to the head during skiing (like Natasha Richardson) and appear fine for hours, before dying - where someone else may be perfectly fine. A lot of it is fluke luck of the bad draw. Some people don't care about their safety on flights.

My point was that few ever die from turbulence.  In fact, more died in bathtubs last year than have died from turbulence in a plane, since planes have existed.

Most people don't care about their safety, ANYWHERE.  Especially if being safe can be construed as taking away from fun.  It's more about instant gratification for most people, methinks.

[Dashinka 24,088]

9 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

My point was that few ever die from turbulence.  In fact, more died in bathtubs last year than have died from turbulence in a plane, since planes have existed.

Most people don't care about their safety, ANYWHERE.  Especially if being safe can be construed as taking away from fun.  It's more about instant gratification for most people, methinks.

I tend to agree.  One wonders, this being a private flight, if this woman felt she did not have to adhere to safety rules.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

13 hours ago, Dashinka said:

I tend to agree.  One wonders, this being a private flight, if this woman felt she did not have to adhere to safety rules.

Probably took her seatbelt off after takeoff and never felt the need to put it back on.  Or was up walking around when it occurred.

That's why the cockpit always says, "... but we ask that when you are seated, you fasten your seatbelt in the event we encounter any unexpected turbulence..."

[Dashinka 24,088]

18 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

Probably took her seatbelt off after takeoff and never felt the need to put it back on.  Or was up walking around when it occurred.

That's why the cockpit always says, "... but we ask that when you are seated, you fasten your seatbelt in the event we encounter any unexpected turbulence..."

I have never understood why folks seated do not wear their seatbelts.  Do they not understand they are in a moving vehicle?