Submit proof of Evidence of Income

[Sergei J 1]

Hello. 
 Received another one yesterday RFE from NVC for two joint sponsors 
 

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Please submit proof of xxxxxxx s Evidence of Income. 

We already submitted documents:
 Second sponsor :
I864
Proof of US Citizenship 
Proof of US Domicile 
tax return 2021 
tax return 2020
tax return 2019
W-2 
Proof of Assets ( Deposit Account balance) 
  Third Sponsor:
I864
Proof of US Citizenship
Proof of US Domicile
tax return 2019
tax return 2020
tax return 2021 
W2
Form 1099
Proof of Assets ( bank statements) 
All documents were accepted.

My spouse sponsor case is ok. They accepted all documents and did'nt send any RFE.
two joint sponsor work in their owns companies.  It's one difference between  main sponsors documents and joint, I submitted Prof of Current or self employment ( letter from from work) for main sponsor.
Anybody can help with this? I  don't have another idea what NVC what from me.

[Mike E 11,739]

Looks like recent pay stubs and employment verification letters are missing for the 2nd and 3rd sponsors. 

[Sergei J 1]

3 minutes ago, Mike E said:

Looks like recent pay stubs and employment verification letters are missing for the 2nd and 3rd sponsors. 

If they are self employed can they add self employed letter?

They haven't any stubs

[Mike E 11,739]

33 minutes ago, Sergei J said:

W-2

 

33 minutes ago, Sergei J said:

W2

You said they have W-2 jobs.  

[Sergei J 1]

8 minutes ago, Mike E said:

 

You said they have W-2 jobs.  

Yes, they have W2 from their owns company.
Ok, thank you. We tried to add letters.

Also It's another weird situation.
Then they sent me RFE they changed types of my accepted civil documents 
PHOTOGRAPHS  > PHOTOGRAPHS (1st MARRIAGE-FINAL DIVORCE DECREE) 
POLICE CERTIFICATE (Turkey) >  POLICE CERTIFICATE
And now my civil documents incomplete
Do I need submit photo and police certificate again? 

[Mike E 11,739]

31 minutes ago, Sergei J said:

Yes, they have W2 from their owns company

So why don’t they have recent pay stubs and an employment verification letter?

[Mike E 11,739]

34 minutes ago, Sergei J said:

Do I need submit photo and police certificate again?

Do you have all the police certificates from where the beneficiary lived 6 months or more?

 

Was the photo previously accepted?

[Sergei J 1]

Just now, Mike E said:

Do you have all the police certificates from where the beneficiary lived 6 months or more?

 

Was the photo previously accepted?

Yes, photo and police certificate were accepted before they sent last note

[Sergei J 1]

5 minutes ago, Mike E said:

So why don’t they have recent pay stubs and an employment verification letter?

I'm ask this question to them, because I don't understand the USA system of tax and this forms.

[Sergei J 1]

7 minutes ago, Mike E said:

Do you have all the police certificates from where the beneficiary lived 6 months or more?

 

Was the photo previously accepted?

Yes, it's two police certificate in my documents now. They accepted. 

[carmel34 3,620]

A self-employed sponsor is viewed differently on the I-864 because current income can easily be manipulated, so they rely on the most recent tax return plus all schedules.  Were these schedules included?  You did not list them.  Note the following instructions for the form (bold added for emphasis):

 

"If you provide a photocopy of your Federal individual income tax returns, you must include a copy of each and every
Form W-2 and Form 1099 that relates to your returns. Do not include copies of these forms if you provide an IRS
transcript of your Federal individual income tax returns rather than a photocopy unless you filed a joint income tax return
with your spouse and are qualifying using only your income.

If you selected Part 6., Item Number 2. that you are self-employed, you should have completed one of the following
forms with your Federal income tax return: Schedule C (Profit or Loss from Business), Schedule D (Capital Gains),
Schedule E (Supplemental Income or Loss), or Schedule F (Profit or Loss from Farming). You must include each and
every Form 1040 Schedule, if any, that you filed with your Federal income tax return."

[Mike E 11,739]

The complexity here is that the joint sponsors seem to own fully incorporated businesses that pay themselves compensation reported on W-2s. 
 

So there won’t be a schedule C.  And if these corporations are one person operations does that mean the corporate tax returns plus the roster of share holders and company officers have to be part of the I-864 documentation.  

 

My biggest fear is that in 2023 these joint sponsors have opted to go back to traditional self employed status. If so I think OP will have a difficult time getting to DQ and visa approval. 
 

I am going to guess that the joint sponsors  are partners in the same incorporated entity which makes my head explode. I-864A?
 

IMO, the I-864 experience works best when the sponsor is on salary (not hourly) as a W-2 employee.  

Edited March 1, 2023 by Mike E

[Sergei J 1]

43 minutes ago, Mike E said:

The complexity here is that the joint sponsors seem to own fully incorporated businesses that pay themselves compensation reported on W-2s. 

2nd sponsor own 100% 
3rd sponsor own 50% of company 
 

 

48 minutes ago, Mike E said:

I am going to guess that the joint sponsors  are partners in the same incorporated entity which makes my head explode. I-864A?

They are different. All three sponsor haven't any same incorporated

[Mike E 11,739]

3 minutes ago, Sergei J said:

2nd sponsor own 100% 
3rd sponsor own 50% of company 
 

 

They are different. All three sponsor haven't any same incorporated

So the 3rd sponsor can have the wiener owner produce an employment verification letter. 
 

If the 2nd sponsor has an employee with responsibility for finances (eg a CFO), then that employee can produce an employment verification letter. 

[Sergei J 1]

7 minutes ago, Mike E said:

So the 3rd sponsor can have the wiener owner produce an employment verification letter. 
 

If the 2nd sponsor has an employee with responsibility for finances (eg a CFO), then that employee can produce an employment verification letter. 

Yes, I talked with them today.
2rd can take contract with CPI company. He is account and work for this company
3rd can write letter from second owner.