First passport for over 16- ds 5507 necessary?

[nosam 0]

So my daughter needs to renew her US passport using for DS-11 as this will be her first passport over the age of 16.  I see that on form ds 11 they are asking for numerous documents including form ds 5507 for the US parent who lives abroad.  I also see that they want this notarized in front of a consular offical.  This will not be possible, so I was wondering if an in country public notary will suffice.  

 

This is in Thailand.

 

Thanks for any guidance in this.

[Mike E 11,739]

Does she have her old passport?

[Chancy 6,241]

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[nosam 0]

12 hours ago, Mike E said:

Does she have her old passport?

Yes, her current passport has a couple more months of validity.

[Mike E 11,739]

21 minutes ago, nosam said:

Yes, her current passport has a couple more months of validity.

This is the only evidence of U.S. citizenship she needs to get a new passport. 

[nosam 0]

9 minutes ago, Mike E said:

This is the only evidence of U.S. citizenship she needs to get a new passport. 

Thank you.  On the Thai embassy website, I could not find any info like this, only that for first passport over 16 she needed all of the documents as I posted above.  I guess the Thai embassy definition for "first passport over 16" is the actual first passport and not the first passport issued after the age of 16.  It makes sense that a prior passport is all that is needed for a first passport issued as a legal adult, but the embassy does not define this at all.

[Mike E 11,739]

39 minutes ago, nosam said:

Thank you.  On the Thai embassy website, I could not find any info like this, only that for first passport over 16 she needed all of the documents as I posted above.  I guess the Thai embassy definition for "first passport over 16" is the actual first passport and not the first passport issued after the age of 16.  It makes sense that a prior passport is all that is needed for a first passport issued as a legal adult, but the embassy does not define this at all.

I believe this, https://th.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/passports/applicants-16-and-older/  does   not say what you are seeing. 
 

 

Edited February 26, 2023 by Mike E

[nosam 0]

5 minutes ago, Mike E said:

I believe this, https://th.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/passports/applicants-16-and-older/  does   not say what you are seeing. 
 

 

Looking at form ds 11, it states that the attached is needed to show proof of citizenship as the first pasport over 16 needs to use form ds 11 and be submitted in person. No where on this could I find where it says all is needed is a prior 5 year US passport, hence my confusion on the matter.

[Mike E 11,739]

18 minutes ago, nosam said:

Looking at form ds 11, it states that the attached is needed to show proof of citizenship as the first pasport over 16 needs to use form ds 11 and be submitted in person. No where on this could I find where it says all is needed is a prior 5 year US passport, hence my confusion on the matter

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/how-apply/citizenship-evidence.html
 

I was born outside the United States 

 

• Full validity, undamaged U.S. passport (expired passports are accepted). Full validity means the document is/was valid for 10 years for adults and 5 years for children under 16.

 

[Mike E 11,739]

If the embassy refuses to comply with the law, then  she needs to come home and renew her passport at U.S. post office.  

Edited February 26, 2023 by Mike E

[nosam 0]

It seems that typical gov't doublespeak is the norm here.  State dept website states that a US passport is sufficient, while on the actual application form ds 11 it states otherwise.  It would have been helpful for proof of citizenship section it would have listed ' current or recently expired US passport" as the first item of proof.

 

Anyway, everyone has been quite helpful here, thank you.

[Mike E 11,739]

15 minutes ago, nosam said:

It would have been helpful for proof of citizenship section it would have listed ' current or recently expired US passport" as the first item of proof.

It’s stupidly written form. But applying some critical thinking. 
 

https://eforms.state.gov/Forms/ds11.pdf
 

I wasn’t born in the USA either. So blindly following the form I would go to the right hand side.  None of the examples of evidence apply to me:

 

Applicants Born Outside the United States

 

If we determine that you are a U.S. citizen, your lawful permanent resident card submitted with this application will be forwarded to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

 

I don’t have a green card.  I gave it up when I took oath of citizenship at my naturalization ceremony 

Claiming Citizenship through Naturalization of One or Both

Parents), submit all the following:

 

Neither of my  parents naturalized 

 

Claiming Citizenship through Birth Abroad to At Least One U.S.

Citizen Parent, submit all the following:

 

Neither of my parents were U.S. citizens 

 

I wasn’t adopted by a U.S. citizen. 

 

Yet with my naturalization certificate, I got a U.S. passport. 
 

 

Edited February 26, 2023 by Mike E