Clinton's Hostile Preschool Takeover

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Check the tax tables! they dont pay squat! All the while collecting the bennies!

Every single employee in America (barring undocumented/illegal workers) has income tax deducted from their paycheck. Yes, they're fully refunded come filing, but their wages are taxed initially (the revenue is required to run the budget during the fiscal year).

The poor do pay taxes. How much they're refunded/EIC'ed come filing is another matter altogether.

You've been reading Dilbert and the Way of the Weasel, haven't you

[Longview 0]

You've been reading Dilbert and the Way of the Weasel, haven't you

Revenue from the taxation of workers, including the working poor, is used to fund the previous fiscal year's budget; our current system depends on this basic structure of "take now, refund later." To say that the poor contribute in no way whatsoever is inaccurate.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Check the tax tables! they dont pay squat! All the while collecting the bennies!

Every single employee in America (barring undocumented/illegal workers) has income tax deducted from their paycheck. Yes, they're fully refunded come filing, but their wages are taxed initially (the revenue is required to run the budget during the fiscal year).

The poor do pay taxes. How much they're refunded/EIC'ed come filing is another matter altogether.

Okay! if I am POOR! I pay to the government $2000.00 for the year! I then SUCK reduced housing,free daycare,W.I.C. and E.B.T! Oh geez! I almost forgot, MED COUPONS.Do the math. I get a full return, I paid in. I say for every dollar they use they have to pay back.Where the HE!! is the incentive to get off the mother pig? Havin another kid is just a yearly raise.

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Okay! if I am POOR! I pay to the government $2000.00 for the year! I then SUCK reduced housing,free daycare,W.I.C. and E.B.T! Oh geez! I almost forgot, MED COUPONS.Do the math. I get a full return, I paid in. I say for every dollar they use they have to pay back.Where the HE!! is the incentive to get off the mother pig? Havin another kid is just a yearly raise.

If he's working 40 hours a week, he's not "on the mother pig." He's getting assistance to feed his family, making sure they're healthy, and keeping a roof over their heads. It is absolutely impossible for the poor to pay back every dollar used on them unless you intend on placing life-debts upon the poor and lower-middle class.

Your "havin another kid" comment is a blatant stereotype and a strawman. Using the minority who exploit the system as the broad example does nothing for a sincere discourse on the problems. I'm not sure what we do about those who do exploit the system in that manner, but I hope you're not suggesting forced sterilization, or something.

Edited July 24, 2007 by Longview

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Okay! if I am POOR! I pay to the government $2000.00 for the year! I then SUCK reduced housing,free daycare,W.I.C. and E.B.T! Oh geez! I almost forgot, MED COUPONS.Do the math. I get a full return, I paid in. I say for every dollar they use they have to pay back.Where the HE!! is the incentive to get off the mother pig? Havin another kid is just a yearly raise.

If he's working 40 hours a week, he's not "on the mother pig." He's getting assistance to feed his family, making sure they're healthy, and keeping a roof over their heads. It is absolutely impossible for the poor to pay back every dollar used on them unless you intend on placing life-debts upon the poor and lower-middle class.

Your "havin another kid" comment is a blatant stereotype and a strawman. Using the minority who exploit the system as the broad example does nothing for a sincere discourse on the problems. I'm not sure what we do about those who do exploit the system in that manner, but I hope you're not suggesting forced sterilization, or something.

When I had my three boys, I made sure that I could take CARE of them! Planning was the key. I work my a$$ of to gaurantee it! Your COMPASSION is killin my paycheck. I will send you a bill okay? or does your COMPASSION only work in words?

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Thanks for shopping! We dont take returns.

Edited July 24, 2007 by CarolsMarc

[GaryC 7]

Do you seriously not know that Gary was properly using that term, and that in that context it is a bad thing?

I see that he intended an insult, yes, so I applied a different meaning. Pardon me if I don't laugh at Gary's knee-jerk rhetoric or portrayal of rational discourse as "unacceptable," Scott.

It wasn't intended as an insult, just pointing out the truth. It seems to me that the truth hurts when your called on your lefty views.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

One flat tax.

X% on every dollar earned above poverty line.

Period.

No exemptions, no write offs, no loopholes, no nothing.

No other tax either.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bite me. I like to dream every now and then.

i can agree w/ that except the above poverty line part. maybe a much smaller percentage. but no free rides.

It's a free ride for everyone, though. If the poverty line was, say 10K and you made 100K, then you'd be taxed on 90K. So, nobody would pay on that first 10K. Seems fair to me.

i don't see how no taxes & no taxes on 10 percent is a free ride for everyone

Everyone has a free ride on 10K. Why is that so hard to understand?

because the guy making 100k is paying taxes on 90 percent of his income & the guy only making 10k isn't paying anything.

You're really not getting this, are you? The guy making a 100K still pays 0% on the first 10K. Just like the guy making 10K, 50K, or 10MM. It's the same for everyone.

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

The POOR do not pay taxes my freind.

Workers, including the working poor, have income tax deducted from every single paycheck just like everyone else, friend.

The FlatTax is another proposal neither major party, Republican or Democrat, widely* supports. Just for reference.

* I believe Democratic presidential candidate Mike Gravel supports a flat tax, along with many Libertarian-leaning Republicans, though.

which is refunded at the end of the year, so in essence they don't pay income tax, which has been everyone's point. in the case i cited the girl from arkansas got back twice what she'd paid into the system.

[Longview 0]

Your COMPASSION is killin my paycheck. I will send you a bill okay? or does your COMPASSION only work in words?

No need. The IRS, on behalf of our elected public officials, is already sending you one. You apparently either don't want to pay taxes, or you don't want to pay taxes to support the general welfare/support a minimum standard of living. That's fine, and I wish you the best of luck in lobbying the Repulican Party to adopt your views. I doubt it'll happen, though.

Thanks for shopping! We dont take returns.

I'm not sure what you meant by this, but if you were referring to my not having responded since last night, it's because some of us don't spend our nights 'til the wee hours of the morning on internet forums.

It wasn't intended as an insult, just pointing out the truth. It seems to me that the truth hurts when your called on your lefty views.

You're clearly the type who refers to anyone who dissents against your far-right views (and they are quite far, beyond even America's Republican Party) as a "Communist," "socialist," "lefty," or "lib." Anyone who refers to Hillary Clinton as a "Communist" or myself as a "socialist" has serious objectivity problems when it comes to their perception of economics and the political spectrum.

Vituperative ideologues like yourself're a dime a dozen, Gary. I'd suggest keeping a tight grip on that tin-foil hat of yours, 'lest I start stealing your right to choose through the internet.

which is refunded at the end of the year, so in essence they don't pay income tax, which has been everyone's point.

Their point is that they dislike anyone taking more from the system than they put in. Which is fine, but they cannot falsely claim that the poor and working poor don't taxes; he claimed that "the POOR do not pay TAXES," which is wholly false.

[smoke20 0]

One flat tax.

X% on every dollar earned above poverty line.

Period.

No exemptions, no write offs, no loopholes, no nothing.

No other tax either.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bite me. I like to dream every now and then.

i can agree w/ that except the above poverty line part. maybe a much smaller percentage. but no free rides.

It's a free ride for everyone, though. If the poverty line was, say 10K and you made 100K, then you'd be taxed on 90K. So, nobody would pay on that first 10K. Seems fair to me.

i don't see how no taxes & no taxes on 10 percent is a free ride for everyone

Everyone has a free ride on 10K. Why is that so hard to understand?

because the guy making 100k is paying taxes on 90 percent of his income & the guy only making 10k isn't paying anything.

You're really not getting this, are you? The guy making a 100K still pays 0% on the first 10K. Just like the guy making 10K, 50K, or 10MM. It's the same for everyone.

yes i get what you're saying the 1st 10k is tax free. but, you're not getting that the other 90k is being taxed......so the guy making 10k is paying $0 on 100% of his income while the guy making 100k is paying $$ on 90% of his income. that is not the same for everyone. and is a free ride for the 10k guy only.

[LuzyC 0]

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Edited July 24, 2007 by LuzyC

[KarenCee 3]

We already give all children a free K-12 public education. I don't see how adding a few years of preschool will bust the budget.

That said, it shouldn't be run by the Feds. Let the same people who run our public schools run it.

If public education were truly free parents would not have to buy upwards to $50 and $60 in school supplies not to mention the various "fund raisers throughout the year and other times parents are asked to send X dollars for this or send this supply, nor would they have to pay for their child to eat lunch.

pre-school to me means kindergarten. it's not mandatory at the state level that i'm aware of. and all i can remember of kindergarten is being taught how to take a nap during school

My kindergarten taught us the alphabet, geography, and basic writing. Kindergarten's required in my state, though; your state's program could be completely different.

My daughter's Kindergarten class covered many subjects, and no nap was taken. Before the beginning of EVERY school year I preview the curriculum that will be taught and I ask numerous questions before I let her step one foot into that classroom. I also have parents of the kids I work with who do the very same thing.

pre-school to me means kindergarten. it's not mandatory at the state level that i'm aware of. and all i can remember of kindergarten is being taught how to take a nap during school

Preschool is about teaching kids to socialize with one another.

It's also about letting parents who need a second income to run a household have that second income. This idea makes a lot of sense in a place like NJ where a household income of less than 150k means being lower-middle-class to poor. That second income is important here. Preschool should be left up to the states, I expect it doesn't make as much sense in Arkansas.

Pre-school is before kindergarden. Pre-school is just a babysitting place. So in effect we will have government mandated babysitters. I don't want my taxes going for that.

Preschool here in Georgia is a comprehensive curriculum taught by certified teachers and licensed staff. How do I know this? My daughter was a Pre-K'er. I viewed the curriculum personally and the papers she brought home confirmed the actual curriculum was taught.

One flat tax.

X% on every dollar earned above poverty line.

Period.

No exemptions, no write offs, no loopholes, no nothing.

No other tax either.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bite me. I like to dream every now and then.

I like this idea and I've always thought it was a fair way for everyone to be taxed.

The POOR do not pay taxes my freind.

Workers, including the working poor, have income tax deducted from every single paycheck just like everyone else, friend.

The FlatTax is another proposal neither major party, Republican or Democrat, widely* supports. Just for reference.

* I believe Democratic presidential candidate Mike Gravel supports a flat tax, along with many Libertarian-leaning Republicans, though.

Check the tax tables! they dont pay squat! All the while collecting the bennies!

I am considered "poor" by most standards. I do not collect "bennies" as you've so politely put it. I make less than $16K a year and yet I don't qualify for anything. Not that I would take it if I did...while I can work and provide for my own I will.

[GaryC 7]

Your COMPASSION is killin my paycheck. I will send you a bill okay? or does your COMPASSION only work in words?

No need. The IRS, on behalf of our elected public officials, is already sending you one. You apparently either don't want to pay taxes, or you don't want to pay taxes to support the general welfare/support a minimum standard of living. That's fine, and I wish you the best of luck in lobbying the Repulican Party to adopt your views. I doubt it'll happen, though.

Thanks for shopping! We dont take returns.

I'm not sure what you meant by this, but if you were referring to my not having responded since last night, it's because some of us don't spend our nights 'til the wee hours of the morning on internet forums.

It wasn't intended as an insult, just pointing out the truth. It seems to me that the truth hurts when your called on your lefty views.

You're clearly the type who refers to anyone who dissents against your far-right views (and they are quite far, beyond even America's Republican Party) as a "Communist," "socialist," "lefty," or "lib." Anyone who refers to Hillary Clinton as a "Communist" or myself as a "socialist" has serious objectivity problems when it comes to their perception of economics and the political spectrum.

Vituperative ideologues like yourself're a dime a dozen, Gary. I'd suggest keeping a tight grip on that tin-foil hat of yours, 'lest I start stealing your right to choose through the internet.

which is refunded at the end of the year, so in essence they don't pay income tax, which has been everyone's point.

Their point is that they dislike anyone taking more from the system than they put in. Which is fine, but they cannot falsely claim that the poor and working poor don't taxes; he claimed that "the POOR do not pay TAXES," which is wholly false.

I like you, even when faced with the fact that your wrong you still hang onto your erroneous views. Ok, the poor pay taxes, go ahead and think that.

I don't recall calling Clinton a communist but thats all right, I am sure you have yourself convinced that I did. My "tin-foil hat" as you call it fits me fine, not to tight. I and "my kind" are in the majority and you are in the kook fringe.

The biggest thing that concerns me is the fact you claim to be a teacher and educated in economics. If this is an example of what you are teaching our youth then it is no wonder we are falling behind in the world as far as the quality of education goes.

Edited July 24, 2007 by GaryC

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

which is refunded at the end of the year, so in essence they don't pay income tax, which has been everyone's point.

Their point is that they dislike anyone taking more from the system than they put in. Which is fine, but they cannot falsely claim that the poor and working poor don't taxes; he claimed that "the POOR do not pay TAXES," which is wholly false.

Lets see if I can spell this out to you. I pay 10 dollars in taxes, at the end of the year I get a 10 dollar refund how much tax did I pay? I come up with 0 taxes paid.

Working poor? #######?

Edited July 24, 2007 by CarolsMarc