Proofs of relationship

[Rocio0010 5,579]

1 minute ago, Peonia23 said:

Okay, sorry but I’m so anxious. 
I’ve been waiting for 13 months now and everything it’s starting make me nervous. I’ll wait and see. 

This is not going to be your last rodeo with USCIS. You'll learn to manage your anxiety.

Fill up your timeline with Embassy information so that people from that country can chime in. Read the Embassy reviews here.

[iwannaplay54 985]

29 minutes ago, Rocio0010 said:

 

Thank you! I always get them mixed up

Me too 😬

[Nat&Amy 623]

43 minutes ago, Peonia23 said:

Okay, sorry but I’m so anxious. 
I’ve been waiting for 13 months now and everything it’s starting make me nervous. I’ll wait and see. 

Some embassies give applicants a harder time than others. I don't entirely agree with the overall opinion here that your application is likely to be denied. There's no way to tell and, as another member pointed out, I have seen predictions here turn out entirely wrong. At the embassy, they will look at the totality of your application and a denial might require a combination of inconsistencies. I would argue that a term of endearment (however inappropriate for the circumstances) might be taken less seriously than showing pictures of an engagement ceremony. And again: embassy. Each has their own way of going about K1s. For now, take a deep breath. And keep us updated!

[iwannaplay54 985]

45 minutes ago, Nat&Amy said:

Some embassies give applicants a harder time than others. I don't entirely agree with the overall opinion here that your application is likely to be denied. There's no way to tell and, as another member pointed out, I have seen predictions here turn out entirely wrong. At the embassy, they will look at the totality of your application and a denial might require a combination of inconsistencies. I would argue that a term of endearment (however inappropriate for the circumstances) might be taken less seriously than showing pictures of an engagement ceremony. And again: embassy. Each has their own way of going about K1s. For now, take a deep breath. And keep us updated!

Nobody here said likely.  What we said:  Likelihood of denial is elevated when a CO has a clear discrepancy  in the filed documentation in front of him or her.  

 

These packages are normally approved or denied and the decision is made essentially before the applicant walks through the door.  
 

One time a CO was grilling me (USC) about sponsoring on assets when I could see the document in front of him was already stamped approved.  I did not take that grilling seriously LOL.  We were comfortably within the law (something like 21X household size or something like that all banked and invested back home, nothing to do but hit “sell”)and he was just having what appeared to be a little fun with us.  😡  I-134 too.  Not even a “real” support affidavit.  Told him that too.  He (almost) smiled.  We were playing “the game”.
 

How many times here have we seen applicants denied while holding a stack of evidence brought to interview?  CO doesnt even look at it.   From as far back as I remember (2006) we have been carefully advising applicants to front end load their petition packages with solid evidence (not chats and phone bills and emails and photos) of real time spent together and what that time was spent doing and we always advise and warn and brief K1 applicants that their job is to prove to the officer that they are fiances intending to get married as soon as their feet reach US soil.  Any indication otherwise - either not enough time spent together or even a sniff that the couple skirted rules to hold “engagement ceremonies” or sign marriage contracts or took any other action that would indicate any interpretation of formal, informal, backyard, or any marriage activity at all has caused a denial. 
 

My problem here is that this is what the CO will see while he/she is making the real decision, the one made before the interview.  Its a valid reason for concern and that is all it is.  The overall opinion here is prep for the questions, ride it out, and expect to marry in home country / re-file if the worst happens.  

As MikeE says, I’m out.  Wishing OP the best of luck.

Edited February 10, 2023 by iwannaplay54

[P8282667 10]

7 hours ago, Peonia23 said:

Hi everyone! 
I’m thinking about something and it’s making me really anxious. 
When my fiancé and I filed the K1 visa as proofs of relationship we included screenshots of our chats. My fiancé saved me in his phone with his last name just because he likes calling me like that. We also left a note saying that was a way to call me and that my last name was still the same.

Will this be a problem during the approval? 
Someone helps me I’m nervous😭😩

don't mind these comments, chats are not requirements, anyone can fake this,  they want proof that they met within the given time

Edited February 10, 2023 by P8282667

[Peonia23 5]

18 minutes ago, P8282667 said:

don't mind these comments, chats are not requirements, anyone can fake this,  they want proof that they met within the given time

Yeah but maybe they look that my fiancé saved me in his phone with his last name (just for being sweet) and for them its a problem. 

[MonkeyDan 27]

37 minutes ago, P8282667 said:

no that's definitely not a problem, like i said, conversations are not requirements, they don't even care about it, if you sent good evidence then you'll be fine

You are correct that conversations are not a requirement and that's why many people on here say don't even send them.  However, the original poster did send the conversations and the conversations show that they refer to each other using the same surname (just like a married couple).  This is the concern because now the CO will believe that they actually are married or are carrying themselves in public as if they are a married couple (i.e. common marriage) and for these reasons, they can be denied. 

[Peonia23 5]

9 minutes ago, MonkeyDan said:

You are correct that conversations are not a requirement and that's why many people on here say don't even send them.  However, the original poster did send the conversations and the conversations show that they refer to each other using the same surname (just like a married couple).  This is the concern because now the CO will believe that they actually are married or are carrying themselves in public as if they are a married couple (i.e. common marriage) and for these reasons, they can be denied. 

Why would we do the k1 visa if we could do just a spouse visa if we were actually married? We could have done the spousal visa but since we’re not married we can’t. That makes no sense. I think the officer is gonna understand that. 
plus we were really transparent about it and we specified we’re not married. 
We got plenty of other proofs, like photos together ecc.

[Chancy 6,241]

38 minutes ago, Peonia23 said:

Why would we do the k1 visa if we could do just a spouse visa if we were actually married?

 

Because married people have actually pursued K1 visa instead of CR1 visa in the hope that they could get a visa faster and enter the US sooner.  This is a well-known fraud to consul officers, hence the many reports here on VJ of denied K1 due to appearing "too married".

 

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[Mike E 11,739]

12 hours ago, Peonia23 said:

All of the text submitted clearly show an intention to marry and of an already married couple. 

And I am out.

 

Cancel your I-129F, and submit your I-130 and a copy of your marriage certificate. 

[Rocio0010 5,579]

12 hours ago, Peonia23 said:

marry and of an already married couple. 

Wait! So you’re saying you’re married. When did you get married?

[Peonia23 5]

10 hours ago, Mike E said:

And I am out.

 

Cancel your I-129F, and submit your I-130 and a copy of your marriage certificate. 

I typed the text wrong, I wanted to correct it but it wouldn’t let me anymore.

what I meant it was “ all of the text we submitted clearly show an intention to marry after the K1 approval and  NOT of an already married couple” 

obviously I’m not gonna cancel my K1 when my fiancé and I are not married. I couldn’t do the I-130… 

Edited February 11, 2023 by Peonia23

[Peonia23 5]

10 hours ago, Rocio0010 said:

Wait! So you’re saying you’re married. When did you get married?

I typed the text wrong, I wanted to correct it but it wouldn’t let me anymore.

what I meant it was “ all of the text we submitted clearly show an intention to marry after the K1 approval and NOT of an already married couple” 

 

I wouldn’t be here worring about a little mistake in my K1 visa if I was already married…that doesn’t make any sense. I obviously would have filed a I-130.  

 

 

[jp1000 25]

On 2/10/2023 at 6:16 AM, iwannaplay54 said:

Mike summarized it clearly.  All the denied couples insist they aren’t actually married LOL.

 My advice for 17 years now (before there were chats) is and always has been - submit hard evidence like passport stamps, receipts, boarding passes and stay away from photos, emails, chat logs.  
Prep for problems.  This will be a possible complication.

This is interesting to me because I had assumed when putting the package together that phone records and texts were encouraged because they want to see how you talk to each other.

I struggled to find many appropriate chats that seemed worth screenshotting but I got some of us planning vacations, flights etc - and screenshots of my call logs showing we call every day etc.

 

I definitely regretted that I didn't keep my boarding passes when assembling the packet (some were destroyed, some were just digital passes on my phone that expired) and dind't have receipts of much.

 

We submitted maybe 40-50 photos of us together which I wrote the date and a description on the back, I wanted to do this because the i-129f form asks you to list the times you've met in the last 2 years which I think was only once at the time, but we had actually met I think 4 times at this point in different cities / countries so I felt the photos were good evidence.

 

I did submit my US passport stamps, we also met in Ireland but I didn't get a stamp for that (maybe because there's free travel between UK - Republic of Ireland or something I'm not sure).

Edited February 11, 2023 by jp1000
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