Dual Citizenship Questions

[Tokenfreak 223]

I have a couple questions or concerns if anyone has a moment to answer them please.
 

After I become a US Citizen I see the Philippines requires you to apply for Dual Citizenship to retain your Philippines Citizenship too. How would they even know I became a US Citizen if I don’t tell them? I’m confused by this and it just seems like a money grab to me to get more money from us. So is this even necessary to do?

 

My second question is if I do apply for dual citizenship and fill out the form will that application affect my US Citzenship then? On their site it says, “Prospective applicants for dual citizenship under R.A. 9225 are advised to visit and read the contents of the website of the U.S. Department of State which contains information about current U.S. government policy on dual nationality, or to seek legal advice from a U.S. immigration lawyer.”

 

Thanks!

[Bob in Boston 698]

it does not affect your US citizenship. US allows dual citizenship. We only did dual so we could buy property. Says right in the deed that so and so, a Philippine citizen,...... They might never know but if you ever go back and work or anything else only Filipinos are allowed there could be consequences

[Crazy Cat 41,811]

2 hours ago, Tokenfreak said:

How would they even know I became a US Citizen if I don’t tell them?

When you travel from PI to the US, the lack of a visa to enter the US in your PI passport will reveal it. (Courtesy of  @Mike E)

Edited February 4, 2023 by Crazy Cat

[top_secret 2,406]

If being a Filipino Citizen is a critical component to any endeavor you are undertaking, it would probably be wise to really be a Filipino citizen lest not being a Filipino Citizen come back to haunt you at an inopportune moment.  Example?  Lost Filipino Citizenship by naturalization , enter Philippines using an old Filipino Passport, gets discovered upon exiting and now you already accrued Philippine immigration violations.  The consequences of the immigration violations could be serious in certain circumstances.  Example?  You buy property in the Philippines as a Filipino Citizen, its discovered you aren't a Filipino citizen and cannot own that property.  Very serious consequences.  It's not a matter of how likely you are to get caught, it's what happens if you get caught and how easily it could be avoided by paying the $50 to do it according to Filipino law.

 

On the other hand, many former Filipinos don't do anything that even requires Filipino Citizenship.  Want to visit the family for 6 months?  You could enter as a US Citizen with Balikbayan privilege.  Want to buy a retirement home, former Filipino Balikbayans can do that too.  Situations like that there is only risk and no reward by falsely claiming Filipino citizenship when you wouldn't even need to.

 

If you look at your future and see yourself in situations where Filipino Citizenship is critical to you, then you might as well pay the $50.  If it doesn't seem critical to anything you plan on doing, then just enjoy being a US Citizen and Balikbayan.  If circumstances change later and it does again become critical you could reacquire your citizenship then. 

[IWander 589]

14 hours ago, Crazy Cat said:

When you travel from PI to the US, the lack of a visa to enter the US in your PI passport will reveal it. (Courtesy of  @Mike E)

My wife doesn't have a valid visa to enter the US in her passport and she is not a dual but only a Philippines citizen..  it is the showing of your US passport to the Bureau of Immigration at passport control upon exit that will be the clue....

[Crazy Cat 41,811]

6 hours ago, IWander said:

My wife doesn't have a valid visa to enter the US in her passport and she is not a dual but only a Philippines citizen..  it is the showing of your US passport to the Bureau of Immigration at passport control upon exit that will be the clue....

That is one way, yes.  But, also, attempting to exit PI without a valid visa will also be a clue. 

[Bob in Boston 698]

6 hours ago, IWander said:

My wife doesn't have a valid visa to enter the US in her passport and she is not a dual but only a Philippines citizen.

She has a Green Card? If so no visa required to get on flight. Need one or the other to board. 

[Crazy Cat 41,811]

6 hours ago, IWander said:

My wife doesn't have a valid visa to enter the US in her passport and she is not a dual but only a Philippines citizen..  it is the showing of your US passport to the Bureau of Immigration at passport control upon exit that will be the clue....

My point was that the OP could not travel to PI, then return without PI knowing he/she is a US citizen... That answers the question "How would they know?"

Edited February 5, 2023 by Crazy Cat

[IWander 589]

1 hour ago, Crazy Cat said:

That is one way, yes.  But, also, attempting to exit PI without a valid visa will also be a clue. 

Nonsense, my wife attempts and does in fact leave all the time without a valid visa.  Your original statement is flawed and incomplete.  

1 hour ago, Bob in Boston said:

She has a Green Card? If so no visa required to get on flight. Need one or the other to board. 

Exactly 

[Bob in Boston 698]

1 hour ago, IWander said:

Nonsense, my wife attempts and does in fact leave all the time without a valid visa.  Your original statement is flawed and incomplete. 

Once she becomes a citizen She will not be allowed on the flight, will need the us passport as her filipino one will not have a visa in it. Using a Philippine passport to board for the states needs a visa or green card. We are talking dual citizens not Philippine green card holders

Edited February 5, 2023 by Bob in Boston

[Crazy Cat 41,811]

7 hours ago, IWander said:

Nonsense, my wife attempts and does in fact leave all the time without a valid visa.  Your original statement is flawed and incomplete.  

Exactly 

This thread isn't about your wife.   Nor is it about a person having a Green card.  Maybe you should read the OP's first comment again. You are comparing apples and oranges.  This thread concerned someone who is a US citizen, yet didn't apply for dual PI citizenship.

 

 

Edited February 5, 2023 by Crazy Cat

[Crazy Cat 41,811]

5 hours ago, Bob in Boston said:

Once she becomes a citizen She will not be allowed on the flight, will need the us passport as her filipino one will not have a visa in it. Using a Philippine passport to board for the states needs a visa or green card.

Exactly.....and the original question was assuming the person was a US citizen and not a green card holder.  

Edited February 5, 2023 by Crazy Cat

[top_secret 2,406]

Philippine exit immigration is well known for scrutinizing departing Filipinos'  destination visa status in very fine detail. Last trip to Peru my wife got a harsh two hour secondary interrogation from BI at NAIA.  They also have to show foreign passport or green card for travel tax waiver.  If she has a US Passport rather than a US Green Card?   Might have some explaining to do if dates don't match up.  BI at NAIA also has a direct line to call USCIS if they want to verify anyone's US documents, immigration or US citizenship status.  They do so regularly.

[top_secret 2,406]

On 2/4/2023 at 6:46 AM, Tokenfreak said:

My second question is if I do apply for dual citizenship and fill out the form will that application affect my US Citzenship then? On their site it says, “Prospective applicants for dual citizenship under R.A. 9225 are advised to visit and read the contents of the website of the U.S. Department of State which contains information about current U.S. government policy on dual nationality, or to seek legal advice from a U.S. immigration lawyer.”

Reacquiring Filipino Citizenship has no impact on US Citizenship.  US law allows duel citizenship.  It's just a standard disclaimer from the Philippine government that they bear no responsibility in any way for anyone's US Citizenship or any other foreign citizenship matters.  Philippine government has absolute legal authority over Filipino citizenship and no authority whatever over US Citizenship.

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