EAD

[Nicodemus 0]

I actually spoke to some lawyers as well as a firm's documentation team. Section 2 only refers to people who have lost their card and are getting it replaced. It does nto refer to first time applications. Maybe he's just lying to me, but just wanted to throw it out there.

Sorry but what is a I-9?

I-9 is the form that all new employees must fill in by law to prove that they are eligible to work. If you want to see it, Google "I-9".

[Dr_LHA 3]

I actually spoke to some lawyers as well as a firm's documentation team. Section 2 only refers to people who have lost their card and are getting it replaced. It does nto refer to first time applications. Maybe he's just lying to me, but just wanted to throw it out there.

That's an interesting interpretation, although I'm not sure what the basis of that is. My employers HR department certainly didn't interpret it that way, I can tell you. It just goes to show that with employment, its all down to how an employer wants to interpret and enforce the I-9. I don't think there's anything wrong with an employer taking a tough line and wanting to see the EAD, its better than being lax and allowing people to work illegally.

[davewolfs 0]

I think your idea of HR actually trying to filter out people based on the I9 requirements is wishful thinking. Most of the people in these types of positions are interested in making there job as easy as possible and following the same process day in and day out. That said, I would think that the majority of applicants are US citizens and these HR people are accustomed to filling out these papers in the same fashion. There job is not to reject candidates, but to ensure they can start as soon as possible.

My SSN does say valid for work with DHS authorization only. Albeit, the I9 form says specifically that a drivers license and SSN are required and the SSN cannot say the following:

U.S. social security card issued by the Social Security Administration(other than a card stating it is not valid for employment)

Based on these requirements alone, it appears that I could in fact provide the appropriate documentation.

I currently have a Social Security # that I received through an L1. What are the repercussions of pretending that everything is OK and working without having received my EAD? I have grown tired of waiting for things to comein the mail.

Doesn't your SS card have the words "Not Valid for Work Without DHS Authorization" on it (or similar?)

If it does, you can't work. If it doesn't and you have a US ID (e.g. Drivers License), then an employer won't know any better as you will meet the I-9 requirements.

[davewolfs 0]

I actually spoke to some lawyers as well as a firm's documentation team. Section 2 only refers to people who have lost their card and are getting it replaced. It does nto refer to first time applications. Maybe he's just lying to me, but just wanted to throw it out there.

That's an interesting interpretation, although I'm not sure what the basis of that is. My employers HR department certainly didn't interpret it that way, I can tell you. It just goes to show that with employment, its all down to how an employer wants to interpret and enforce the I-9. I don't think there's anything wrong with an employer taking a tough line and wanting to see the EAD, its better than being lax and allowing people to work illegally.

Right...Unfortunately I don't think that this is a reality in anyway. At least not in this country.

[misa 2]

You'd be lying on the I-9 form though where you fill out the employee portion and sign it as you know you are only authorised to work for your current employer on an L-1.

How can you provide the proper documentation to a new employer when you don't have any from column A and need to supply one from column B and one from column C? You can't use your SSN card as a column C form of ID since it has the DHS authorisation text on it.

"Valid for work with DHS authorization only" is the same thing as "Not valid for employment". Means the card isn't valid for employment on its own and you need to prove that you are employment authorised if using the card.

Edited July 28, 2007 by misa

[Dr_LHA 3]

My SSN does say valid for work with DHS authorization only. Albeit, the I9 form says specifically that a drivers license and SSN are required and the SSN cannot say the following:

U.S. social security card issued by the Social Security Administration(other than a card stating it is not valid for employment)

Based on these requirements alone, it appears that I could in fact provide the appropriate documentation.

Eh? What part of "other than a card stating it is not valid for employment" do you not understand?

No, you do not meet the requirements of the I-9.

[Dr_LHA 3]

Right...Unfortunately I don't think that this is a reality in anyway. At least not in this country.

Yes, people work illegally all the time. However you might have noticed that those people are working shitty low paid jobs. Most well paid jobs are going to be for companies that understand their I-9 requirements.

[Akunin 0]

My SS card came without words "valid for work only with INS authorization" for some reason it was back in 2001 when I was on j1 visa,but all my friends get this words on it.

[Dr_LHA 3]

My SS card came without words "valid for work only with INS authorization" for some reason it was back in 2001 when I was on j1 visa,but all my friends get this words on it.

Yes, this happens occasionally. Its basically a mistake by the SSA. People here on a J-1 should have those words on their SS cards.

[Mags 112]

I would just like to reiterate here that working without the proper authorisation IS illegal and should not be encouraged by anyone. You can debate the facts for as long as you all wish but the simple fact is that you ARE breaking the law.