n400 birth certificate for adult children?

[ikaruga 1]

Helping mother-in-law apply for US citizenship. However, it is asking for evidence regarding her grown adult children. Do I really need to submit this evidence?

 

* her daughter (my wife) is already a US citizen

* her other children are adults and they either are US citizens or live abroad 

 

And if so, what evidence do they need? Getting copies of birth certificates may be a hassle. 

[Mike E 11,739]

How did she get a green card?

[ikaruga 1]

5 minutes ago, Mike E said:

How did she get a green card?

What do you mean how did she get a green card?  That was over 10 years ago.  

 

To clarify, I'm failing to see the relevance since it was such a long time ago.

 

Moreover, this is the 2nd time she's applied for US citizenship. I did help her that time and I don't recall having to submit any evidence regarding her adult children, nor the death of her spouse

Edited January 10, 2023 by ikaruga

[Mike E 11,739]

Just now, ikaruga said:

What do you mean how did she get a green card?  That was over 10 years ago.  

Employer based? Diversity visa? Asylum? Family based? If family who was the petitioner?

 

It doesn’t matter how long ago it was. USCIS can and sometimes will  re-examine the  basis for getting a green card to verify that basis was sound. If not sound, there will be no naturalization. 
 

When some LPRs tell me how they got their gc, I sometimes tell them they should reconsider naturalization.  

[Dashinka 24,479]

Providing BC's of the applicant's children are not required evidence to submit the N400, but rather it is evidence needed for the interview.  If she kept copies of whatever process she used to become an LPR, I would expect the BC's may be there, but otherwise, you can still submit the N400 and take the 4-12 months it will take for the interview to roll around you can get the BC's and either upload them, or wait to take them to the interview.

[ikaruga 1]

7 minutes ago, Mike E said:

Employer based? Diversity visa? Asylum? Family based? If family who was the petitioner?

 

It doesn’t matter how long ago it was. USCIS can and sometimes will  re-examine the  basis for getting a green card to verify that basis was sound. If not sound, there will be no naturalization. 
 

When some LPRs tell me how they got their gc, I sometimes tell them they should reconsider naturalization.  

 

Her green card is family based---if i'm not mistaken it was her other son.

 

But failing to see the relevance here because this is the 2nd time she's applying for US Citizenship---last time I don't recall having to submit *any* evidence (about her kids or spouse). 

 

 

Edited January 10, 2023 by ikaruga
updated for clarity

[ikaruga 1]

3 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Providing BC's of the applicant's children are not required evidence to submit the N400, but rather it is evidence needed for the interview.  If she kept copies of whatever process she used to become an LPR, I would expect the BC's may be there, but otherwise, you can still submit the N400 and take the 4-12 months it will take for the interview to roll around you can get the BC's and either upload them, or wait to take them to the interview.

 

So to clarify, you're saying it's not needed to apply.

 

And to also clarify, I suspect they're not needed at all---last time she applied they didn't ask for any of this information. 

 

But thanks for your response!

Edited January 10, 2023 by ikaruga
added gratitude :-)

[ikaruga 1]

10 minutes ago, Mike E said:

Employer based? Diversity visa? Asylum? Family based? If family who was the petitioner?

 

It doesn’t matter how long ago it was. USCIS can and sometimes will  re-examine the  basis for getting a green card to verify that basis was sound. If not sound, there will be no naturalization. 
 

When some LPRs tell me how they got their gc, I sometimes tell them they should reconsider naturalization.  

 

* I think I get it now... her son applied for a green card and we need to re-provide evidence of this relationship...which sort of makes sense (but i was assuming they had this info already)
* providing evidence that her husband died over 20 years ago still doesn't make sense though

 

[Mike E 11,739]

3 minutes ago, ikaruga said:

 

* I think I get it now... her son applied for a green card and we need to re-provide evidence of this relationship...which sort of makes sense (but i was assuming they had this info already

cool.  I will rejoin the thread then. But I am a 2 strikes kinda guy.  

3 minutes ago, ikaruga said:

 

 

* providing evidence that her husband died over 20 years ago still doesn't make sense though

 

Did she enter the U.S. on an immigration visa or tourist visa or so other kind of visa?

[JeanneAdil 6,489]

to get my husband's visa i had to provide death certificates of my late husband  ,  my father,  my husbands father who was killed in Italy

and birth certificates of both my sons (and they weren't kids anymore)

 

if USCIS wants it, and they have the right to ask for these,  get them/  the case will go no further till USCIS has the proofs they ask for

i sent a link to use to get all these from HOnduras  for deaths  and births and all

 

https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Honduras_Deaths_-_FamilySearch_Historical_Records

[Dashinka 24,479]

1 hour ago, ikaruga said:

 

So to clarify, you're saying it's not needed to apply.

 

And to also clarify, I suspect they're not needed at all---last time she applied they didn't ask for any of this information. 

 

But thanks for your response!

Not needed to apply, but will be needed at the interview.  You say this is not her first time applying, are you saying she applied for naturalization previously and was denied?

[Rocio0010 5,579]

Read the instructions. 
Page 9 says that the applicant has to list all children, whether they are alive or deceased, minors or over 18 years of age, adopted and stepchildren. Then on page 12 it says that for the interview you’d need to bring the BC of kids listed. So yes, you’ll have to get those BCs….

Why was citizenship denied?

[martinzl 91]

If the rules say bring the BC, then i guess you should.  My wife had her citizenship interview today.  She listed one adult child who is a non-US citizen not living in the US.  We brought a photocopy of her child's BC but the immigration officer did not ask to see it.

[ikaruga 1]

8 hours ago, Mike E said:

cool.  I will rejoin the thread then. But I am a 2 strikes kinda guy.  

Did she enter the U.S. on an immigration visa or tourist visa or so other kind of visa?

Her very first entry was with a tourist visa. This was after her husband had passed but still over 10 years ago. Then afterwards, her son applied for her green card. 

[ikaruga 1]

3 hours ago, Rocio0010 said:

Read the instructions. 
Page 9 says that the applicant has to list all children, whether they are alive or deceased, minors or over 18 years of age, adopted and stepchildren. Then on page 12 it says that for the interview you’d need to bring the BC of kids listed. So yes, you’ll have to get those BCs….

Why was citizenship denied?

citizenship was denied 5 years ago because she failed the civics exam due to language barriers. She is reapplying now because she can take the exam in her native language.