Did George Santos lie about everything?

[Boiler 45,373]

Trolling Congress? Think that is OK.

 

Wonder if George will be sworn in today.

Edited January 4, 2023 by Boiler

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[Dashinka 24,420]

44 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Trolling Congress? Think that is OK.

 

Wonder if George will be sworn in today.

Doesn't look like it.  I really doubt McCarthy will be the Speaker unless he is willing to greatly reduce the power of that position which is something that should be done.

[laylalex 7,284]

1 hour ago, TBoneTX said:

We'll leave it up to the OP as to whether to close the thread.

Thanks, I will keep it open.

1 hour ago, Dashinka said:

Biden never responds to any questions of his corrupt dealings.  The Democrats in general and many of the GOP DC insiders are beyond corrupt.  What else is new?

Well, as far as I know Biden hasn't been charged yet with a crime. 

[Dashinka 24,420]

15 minutes ago, laylalex said:

Thanks, I will keep it open.

Well, as far as I know Biden hasn't been charged yet with a crime. 

Has Santos been charged?  All this hysterical blathering from the establishment is just laughable considering what they do on a daily basis, but whatever.  I do wonder why the Democrat running against him did not make all of this public before election day?  Clyde Shavers in Washington was called out for his blatant lies by his own father, and yet the good Democrats in his district ignored it and elected him.

 

Again I ask, what is the point of focusing on Santos while ignoring all the rest of the DC hypocrites?

 

https://lynnwoodtimes.com/2022/11/01/clyde-shavers-221101/

[laylalex 7,284]

This is a thread about Santos so... we're talking about Santos? 🤷‍♀️

 

And yes, Santos was charged and indicted before he left Brazil. And now he's going to be recharged again.

The Times reports that prosecutors in Brazil will re-charge him with fraud at the end of the week, after originally doing so in 2008. At the time, Santos was indicted for stealing a checkbook and then spending the money under a false name, a crime which he admitted to in 2009 to the owner of a store where he spent the money and 2010 to the police. Then, he moved to the United States and reportedly stopped responding to authorities, who didn’t know his whereabouts. Now they do, and apparently are not interested in letting bygones be bygones.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/01/george-santos-fraud-charges-brazil

 

I don't know why it would be okay for someone to be shady or evade the law (if he did) even if other people do shady things. It doesn't make it anything better that he told such big lies about his life. Everyone should be accountable if elected. 

[Mike E 11,739]

I hope Santos is punished for lying thus setting the precedent for removing every elected official. No more elections. No more democracy. Works for me. 

[beloved_dingo 1,976]

Yeah there are a lot of liars and grifters in politics, and even more that live in various corporate pockets. This is true regardless of political affiliation. But George lied, exaggerated, and misrepresented nearly every facet of his life. That is a bit different than what is typically seen in politics, so I don't know why it's such a surprise that it's getting a fair bit of attention. 

 

Personally I'd be ecstatic if we had complete transparency regarding every politicians tax returns, investments, corporate donors, etc. People shouldn't become multimillionaires through having a public office. 

[Mike E 11,739]

35 minutes ago, beloved_dingo said:

But George lied, exaggerated, and misrepresented nearly every facet of his life

1. “Nearly” a vague term.  Quantify it.   
 

2. Are you more offended by Santos lying or by the lies,  W, his appointees, and various elected officials said about WMDs in Iraq? 

Edited January 4, 2023 by Mike E

[Boiler 45,373]

6 votes so fat and we resume at 8pm, George must be on tenterhooks, I assume he gets some sort of protection once he is sworn in but may be assuming too much.

[Dashinka 24,420]

2 hours ago, laylalex said:

This is a thread about Santos so... we're talking about Santos? 🤷‍♀️

 

And yes, Santos was charged and indicted before he left Brazil. And now he's going to be recharged again.

 

 

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/01/george-santos-fraud-charges-brazil

 

I don't know why it would be okay for someone to be shady or evade the law (if he did) even if other people do shady things. It doesn't make it anything better that he told such big lies about his life. Everyone should be accountable if elected. 

It is politics, shady people all around.  Why should one side practice morality and the other side not?

[laylalex 7,284]

1 hour ago, Dashinka said:

It is politics, shady people all around.  Why should one side practice morality and the other side not?

Completely agree with you. Accountability is for everyone. Politicians should not be lining their pockets through their work for us, their employers. This isn't to say they should all take an oath of poverty, but that how they make their money should be more transparent. I think most people could agree with that. The next step is to figure out what accountability would look like, and how we could build structures to support transparency. Is it just tax returns? Are there other kinds of disclosures we would want to see, and why? George Santos is an outlier in terms of breadth of deception, I think, but there is almost certainly greater depth of deception by politicians of both major parties that is more meaningful. Let's find out.

 

I think what I personally am concerned about is that this number of lies -- some big, some small, some consequential, some not -- by Santos is somehow treated as "politics as usual" and therefore okay. Or that because other people have told bigger whoppers his should be ignored. It doesn't make it any worse that it's a Republican or a Democrat or a Libertarian or a whatever. Honesty should be rewarded, and deception should be uncovered and have consequences. Uncover as many untruths as possible, wherever they are.

 

Just my two pennies.  

[Dashinka 24,420]

7 minutes ago, laylalex said:

Completely agree with you. Accountability is for everyone. Politicians should not be lining their pockets through their work for us, their employers. This isn't to say they should all take an oath of poverty, but that how they make their money should be more transparent. I think most people could agree with that. The next step is to figure out what accountability would look like, and how we could build structures to support transparency. Is it just tax returns? Are there other kinds of disclosures we would want to see, and why? George Santos is an outlier in terms of breadth of deception, I think, but there is almost certainly greater depth of deception by politicians of both major parties that is more meaningful. Let's find out.

 

I think what I personally am concerned about is that this number of lies -- some big, some small, some consequential, some not -- by Santos is somehow treated as "politics as usual" and therefore okay. Or that because other people have told bigger whoppers his should be ignored. It doesn't make it any worse that it's a Republican or a Democrat or a Libertarian or a whatever. Honesty should be rewarded, and deception should be uncovered and have consequences. Uncover as many untruths as possible, wherever they are.

 

Just my two pennies.  

The simple fact is Santos is not as much of an outlier as you might think.  Just because the Leftist media and the Democrats, who should have exposed his lies months ago, are now having a cow doesn’t mean there aren’t many others in DC just like him flying under the radar.  As mentioned earlier, we have a President that has lies repeatedly over the past many years about his accomplishments that prior to 2020 actually were called out in the media forcing him to drop out of earlier races.  DC has changed, and now it is acceptable to pad the resume, and use whatever hyperbole one wants.  The only way to hold them accountable is to not vote for any incumbents and create de facto term limits to these people.  Without that we get massive insider trading, benefits for family, and all out corruption on the surface.

 

If what Santos did leads to others also facing the music, then maybe there is a silver lining.

Edited January 5, 2023 by Dashinka

[Mike E 11,739]

19 minutes ago, laylalex said:

I think what I personally am concerned about is that this number of lies -- some big, some small, some consequential, some not

Big, small are meaningless. 
 

The metric system doesn’t have a unit of measurement for size of a lie.  
 

How do you objectively decide Santos should not be sat in Congress versus say Lindsay Graham?
 

 

[laylalex 7,284]

17 minutes ago, Mike E said:

Big, small are meaningless. 
 

The metric system doesn’t have a unit of measurement for size of a lie.  
 

How do you objectively decide Santos should not be sat in Congress versus say Lindsay Graham?
 

 

I didn't actually say he shouldn't be seated, because under House rules he can be seated. The rules are the rules and that is that. I am actually trying to keep this focused on Santos rather than looking at what other people have done, so I'm not going to address Lindsay Graham or Nancy Pelosi or Joe Biden. But I think the big thing here is that he was indicted for check fraud in Brazil and skipped out on it before the case could go forward. That says a lot about character and fitness to serve. Are there other members of Congress who have been indicted and then evaded prosecution for fraud? I honestly don't know. But to me, that IS a big deal. Others may disagree. 

 

We can say Biden lied about this or Graham lied about that, but I disagree that there is no difference between big and small lies. Lying about finishing college is kind of meaningless if you can do the job, and there's no requirement to have a degree. Lying about your expertise when you're leading people to believe that your expertise will help you be a more effective representative, yeah, I think that's more meaningful. Lying about your mom dying in 9/11 or your employees being gunned down in a mass shooting are just dumb lies, which point to someone who's, well, kind of dumb. Evading prosecution after you have confessed to a crime and then not telling your electorate about it, that's a big lie because it goes to character.

 

Hold everyone to account, absolutely. But we don't need to be nihilists about it.