Visa Fairness

[USABrazil 1]

Why the hell should a Brit or German get to the USA without a visa over a Brazilian who had nothing to do with Sept 11? As an American in love with a Brazilian I can say that unless she has lots of assets and money she cannot even get here on a tourist visa. Where is the justice in the system? The people at the US embassies are so rude and crude to these people to such a loving, peaceful people as Brazilians. They no nothing of war. Why give so much grace to Mesico and not Brasil? I am totaly frustrated with the unjustifiable predjudism againts Brazilians. Life is about humanity and love and not about lawyers and what they believe is right. Rich people who come to the embassy can get a visa tp the US. Brazilian people are good people. There is no reason why they should be treated with such disrespect.

cb

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[kitkat1 5]

Are you simply pissed off that she couldn't get a tourist visa or is there more to the story? Are you simply questioning why some countires are allowed to participate in the VWP and others aren't? I don't think anyone here can provide a satisfactory answer for you.

Many many many people cannot get tourist visas from all over the world. It's not just Brazil. My niece-to-be was just denied yesterday - she's a 14 year old student who wanted to be able to visit me and her uncle in the US next year. She has significant ties here considering her parents live her and she has to return to school after any vacation. Her family makes more than enough money, owns property, etc. and proved all of this. Yet she was denied. It happens everyday. At least your fiance will be able to come eventually, permanently, on a Fiance Visa.

[jom 4]

Very hard for Filipinos too. . not only Brazilians.

[Elmira 1]

Why the hell should a Brit or German get to the USA without a visa over a Brazilian who had nothing to do with Sept 11? As an American in love with a Brazilian I can say that unless she has lots of assets and money she cannot even get here on a tourist visa. Where is the justice in the system? The people at the US embassies are so rude and crude to these people to such a loving, peaceful people as Brazilians. They no nothing of war. Why give so much grace to Mesico and not Brasil? I am totaly frustrated with the unjustifiable predjudism againts Brazilians. Life is about humanity and love and not about lawyers and what they believe is right. Rich people who come to the embassy can get a visa tp the US. Brazilian people are good people. There is no reason why they should be treated with such disrespect.

cb

I have same problem being from Kazakhstan... ask US Government... for example Kazakh peacekeepers serve in Iraq along with US troops fighting against World terrorism, but we still need to obtain a tourist visa

[USABrazil 1]

Are you simply pissed off that she couldn't get a tourist visa or is there more to the story? Are you simply questioning why some countires are allowed to participate in the VWP and others aren't? I don't think anyone here can provide a satisfactory answer for you.

Many many many people cannot get tourist visas from all over the world. It's not just Brazil. My niece-to-be was just denied yesterday - she's a 14 year old student who wanted to be able to visit me and her uncle in the US next year. She has significant ties here considering her parents live her and she has to return to school after any vacation. Her family makes more than enough money, owns property, etc. and proved all of this. Yet she was denied. It happens everyday. At least your fiance will be able to come eventually, permanently, on a Fiance Visa.

Yea im pissed off at a lot of things regarding this immigration #######. And yes, Im questioning everything. Noone here will be able to give me any kind of answer but Im going to speak my mind. I dont think you may understand that yes, i know the system is unfair. I know fully that its not just Brasil. Why should an Italian for example, be able to come here without a tourist visa and a Brazilian has to have one? Any American citizen has the right to be with the one they are going to marry without her having to go through a humiliating gyno exam. What business does the government have getting into her private parts? The government makes our future spouse pay a high price for that OUR right. No wonder our government is so hated abroad. Embassy employees are very cruel and rude to applicants for a visa and its so unnecessary. Its a bunch of ####### that those with Cuban fiances get their approvals so fast and others have to wait and submit RFE's for no reason. Good for them however, but the system can obviously move faster for us all too and not just because our fiance would be a Cuban. If a faster approval can work for them it can work for us all. Consolidating service centers doesn't help any either. The government wants to take more money from us and at the same time give us worse service. I havent heard squat from Uncle Sam since I applied on June 5. Thats all i got to say for now.

CSofA

[hmm1 0]

Are you simply pissed off that she couldn't get a tourist visa or is there more to the story? Are you simply questioning why some countires are allowed to participate in the VWP and others aren't? I don't think anyone here can provide a satisfactory answer for you.

Many many many people cannot get tourist visas from all over the world. It's not just Brazil. My niece-to-be was just denied yesterday - she's a 14 year old student who wanted to be able to visit me and her uncle in the US next year. She has significant ties here considering her parents live her and she has to return to school after any vacation. Her family makes more than enough money, owns property, etc. and proved all of this. Yet she was denied. It happens everyday. At least your fiance will be able to come eventually, permanently, on a Fiance Visa.

Yea im pissed off at a lot of things regarding this immigration #######. And yes, Im questioning everything. Noone here will be able to give me any kind of answer but Im going to speak my mind. I dont think you may understand that yes, i know the system is unfair. I know fully that its not just Brasil. Why should an Italian for example, be able to come here without a tourist visa and a Brazilian has to have one? Any American citizen has the right to be with the one they are going to marry without her having to go through a humiliating gyno exam. What business does the government have getting into her private parts? The government makes our future spouse pay a high price for that OUR right. No wonder our government is so hated abroad. Embassy employees are very cruel and rude to applicants for a visa and its so unnecessary. Its a bunch of ####### that those with Cuban fiances get their approvals so fast and others have to wait and submit RFE's for no reason. Good for them however, but the system can obviously move faster for us all too and not just because our fiance would be a Cuban. If a faster approval can work for them it can work for us all. Consolidating service centers doesn't help any either. The government wants to take more money from us and at the same time give us worse service. I havent heard squat from Uncle Sam since I applied on June 5. Thats all i got to say for now.

CSofA

Well, first let em say, my fiance was denied a Tourist visa as well...and to her country is not on the Visa Waiver Program either...however it is because her country does not meet the requirements for it, just as your SO country does not meet the requirements for it...as well as you, I don't like Cubans receiving extra benefits, faster service whatever...just like the VSC guys, yet there is nothing that is going to be solved by getting on here bashing others as well...you are in for a long wait, I suggest that you find a hobby...weight lifting worked for me...

[SqdnGuns 21]

I am irritated that I cannot get a tourist visa for my Thai fiancee but I understand why it is easier for some rather than others. That's just the way it is, some deal with it, some don't.

[kitkat1 5]

Having been stuck in this process for a year and a half I can tell you based on my experience that yes, there are many things that feel unfair. Why does the CSC take so much longer than VSC? Why didn't USCIS comply with the IMBRA law last year instead of providing zero information to petitioners and making us wait for an extra three months for petition approval? Why have I been waiting for 8 months for waiver approval when my consulate now has a program to process waivers in one day, but I don't qualify since I filed prior to the program? Why are immigration employees so misinformed and rude? The only answer is that it's not a private company, it's the US government. As for why some countries are processed faster than others - who knows? Why does the Dominican Republic have a 2 year wait for an interview? Is that fair? No, but that's the way it is.

As for the government making our future spouses pay a high price for something that is our right -- well I differ a bit in my thinking there. It's not exactly a right - it's a privilge. And if they have to do a gyno exam to ensure that the beneficiary isn't carrying a communicable disease, so be it. I'm sure my fiance didn't exactly appreciate having to get naked while some idiot nurse looked him over from head to toe and asked him personal, invasive questions. But that's how it works. Best to accept it and let go of the hatred -- this is a long and difficult process requiring a great deal of patience. It doesn't mean you have to like it or agree with it, but it's a hell of a lot easier if you focus on the end result.

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Kitkat,

Have I told you lately that I love you?

[kittykatwoman 0]

Why the hell should a Brit or German get to the USA without a visa over a Brazilian who had nothing to do with Sept 11?

Maybe because of conventions, prior to sept 11 BTW, like The Hague Convention, 1961, maybe?

Edited to had the list of countries participating in the convention, linke here >Clicky<

• Albania
  
• Antigua & Barbuda
  
• Argentina
  
• Armenia
  
• Australia
  
• Austria
  
• Bahamas
  
• Belarus
  
• Belgium
  
• Belize
  

• Bosnia & Herzegovina
  
• Botswana
  
• Bulgaria
  
• Colombia
  
• Croatia
  
• Cyprus
  
• Czech Republic
  
• El Salvador
  
• Estonia
  
• Figi
  
• Finland
  
• France
  
• Germany
  
• Greece
  

• Honduras
  
• Hungary
  
• Israel
  
• Italy
  
• Japan
  
• Kazakhstan
  
• Latvia
  
• Lesotho
  
• Liechtenstein
  
• Lithuania
  
• Luxembourg
  
• Macedonia
  
• Malawi
  

• Malta
  
• Marshall Islands
  
• Mauritius
  
• Mexico
  
• Netherlands (Aruba)
  
• Niue (Savage Island)
  
• Norway
  
• Panama
  
• Portugal
  
• Romania
  
• Russia
  
• San Marino
  
• Serbia & Montenegro
  
• Seychelles
  
• Slovak
  

• Slovenia
  
• Spain
  
• South Africa
  
• Suriname
  
• Swaziland
  
• Sweden
  
• Switzerland
  
• Tonga
  
• Trinidad & Tobago
  
• Turkey
  
• Ukraine
  
• United Kingdom & Northern Ireland
  
• United States of America
  
• Venezuela
  
• Yugoslavia
  

Edited July 22, 2007 by kittykatwoman

[VisaJourneyLady 33]

You do have the option to move to Brasil, and participate in their immigration process.

[English Muffin 59]

Having been stuck in this process for a year and a half I can tell you based on my experience that yes, there are many things that feel unfair. Why does the CSC take so much longer than VSC? Why didn't USCIS comply with the IMBRA law last year instead of providing zero information to petitioners and making us wait for an extra three months for petition approval? Why have I been waiting for 8 months for waiver approval when my consulate now has a program to process waivers in one day, but I don't qualify since I filed prior to the program? Why are immigration employees so misinformed and rude? The only answer is that it's not a private company, it's the US government. As for why some countries are processed faster than others - who knows? Why does the Dominican Republic have a 2 year wait for an interview? Is that fair? No, but that's the way it is.

As for the government making our future spouses pay a high price for something that is our right -- well I differ a bit in my thinking there. It's not exactly a right - it's a privilge. And if they have to do a gyno exam to ensure that the beneficiary isn't carrying a communicable disease, so be it. I'm sure my fiance didn't exactly appreciate having to get naked while some idiot nurse looked him over from head to toe and asked him personal, invasive questions. But that's how it works. Best to accept it and let go of the hatred -- this is a long and difficult process requiring a great deal of patience. It doesn't mean you have to like it or agree with it, but it's a hell of a lot easier if you focus on the end result.

[USnoiva 0]

Why the hell should a Brit or German get to the USA without a visa over a Brazilian who had nothing to do with Sept 11? As an American in love with a Brazilian I can say that unless she has lots of assets and money she cannot even get here on a tourist visa. Where is the justice in the system? The people at the US embassies are so rude and crude to these people to such a loving, peaceful people as Brazilians. They no nothing of war. Why give so much grace to Mesico and not Brasil? I am totaly frustrated with the unjustifiable predjudism againts Brazilians. Life is about humanity and love and not about lawyers and what they believe is right. Rich people who come to the embassy can get a visa tp the US. Brazilian people are good people. There is no reason why they should be treated with such disrespect.

cb

I feel your pain. But just think about how Mexicans feel also. Americans used to need simply a birth certificate to get into Mexico AND Canada.

A Canadian is offered the same convenience into America but, why aren't Mexicans?

I live in a heavily populated Brazilian area and only a handful are legal. Most of them probably wanted to come here legally, but it wasn't possible.

Many I talk to said they "tried" to get a visa but were turned away.

So they crossed through Mexico.

[pushbrk 13,043]

Why the hell should a Brit or German get to the USA without a visa over a Brazilian who had nothing to do with Sept 11? As an American in love with a Brazilian I can say that unless she has lots of assets and money she cannot even get here on a tourist visa. Where is the justice in the system? The people at the US embassies are so rude and crude to these people to such a loving, peaceful people as Brazilians. They no nothing of war. Why give so much grace to Mesico and not Brasil? I am totaly frustrated with the unjustifiable predjudism againts Brazilians. Life is about humanity and love and not about lawyers and what they believe is right. Rich people who come to the embassy can get a visa tp the US. Brazilian people are good people. There is no reason why they should be treated with such disrespect.

cb

There are a lot of countries where visitor visa denials are pretty much routine for single women in particular. My wife is from one of them. The reasons are all tied to the likelyhood of immigrant intent or using the visitor visa to get around the appropriate fiance visa process. Keyword is likelyhood.

You'll have a lot of unhappiness in life if you confuse fairness with equality. Even if you don't, you'll suffer a lot of disappointment expecting life to be fair.

Your fiancee's inability to secure a visitor visa to the US is not equal to some countries but equal to others where the threshhold of visa fraud crosses a statistical line. As such, she was treated fairly and in a way "equal" to fiancees from the vast majority of countries. Join the club.