HR reluctant to accept my visa on passport (temporary I-551 stamp) as proof or Permanent Residence

[iwannaplay54 985]

1 hour ago, Sabela said:

Hi back. Thank you all who responded! I really appreciate your feedback/help... So, they just got back to me saying the following:

 

"[...] After speaking with my supervisor, we both think the best thing to do is when you get offered a position and or sign a contract to bring in your petition for permanent residence as proof that you applied for your green card as well as documents from list B and list C. Please see attached for the acceptable documents. From there we can get your I-9 verified and once you obtain your green card you will need to bring it in to our office so that we can put it on file. I hope this helps".

I am not sure what they mean by "bring in your petition for permanent residence" (I just asked them).   I also politely shared with them the USCIS links that say that: “Foreign passport containing a Form I-551 stamp or Form I-551 printed notation” is an I-9 acceptable document for employment. 

I just hope they come to terms with it.  The reason why is because I definitely I do not have "a valid Driver's license or ID card issued by the state" as a List B document, and all I would have for List C is a SSN card (which I am not sure if it is the same as " A Social Security Account Number card”).

Ugh, what a headache. 

 

(These) HR people are dumb as stumps. 

Edited December 21, 2022 by iwannaplay54

[TBoneTX 45,001]

3 minutes ago, iwannaplay54 said:

HR people are dumb as stumps. 

Now, now... the clueless or incompetent ones can appear to be. Those who know their stuff can be excellent to the point of awesome.  (Psst... see Terms of Service provision regarding stereotyping...  )

Edited December 21, 2022 by TBoneTX

[iwannaplay54 985]

4 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

Now, now... the clueless or incompetent ones can appear to be. Those who know their stuff can be excellent to the point of awesome.  (Psst... see Terms of Service provision regarding stereotyping...  )

Giving you this one Tex.  Sorry. Corrected.  

Edited December 21, 2022 by iwannaplay54

[Sabela 15]

Thank you all again. And you're right, @powerpuff. I will try to apply for a state ID today. I just didn't need a car until now, so that is why I do not have it.
So, HR got back to me:

"[...] First question was about the petition, when you get an offer for a position you will need to bring a document that states that you have applied to become a permanent resident and or something that says they will be sending you your green card. If you have your green card before you get approved to work, just bring that."

Do we have any any document (see bold part) of that kind? I don't remember having / receiving anything like that, so I am wondering what to bring them now.

[jostermacedo 54]

4 minutes ago, Sabela said:

Thank you all again. And you're right, @powerpuff. I will try to apply for a state ID today. I just didn't need a car until now, so that is why I do not have it.
So, HR got back to me:

"[...] First question was about the petition, when you get an offer for a position you will need to bring a document that states that you have applied to become a permanent resident and or something that says they will be sending you your green card. If you have your green card before you get approved to work, just bring that."

Do we have any any document (see bold part) of that kind? I don't remember having / receiving anything like that, so I am wondering what to bring them now.

You're already a permanent resident. The endorsed visa on your passport is a green card! Just a temporary one until the plastic one arrives. And it's listed as an A document on the I-9 form. Show the HR people the I-9 instructions as I mentioned above.

[powerpuff 6,596]

I would not present anything else except the I-551 stamp and I think it’s time to get more firm with them and putting pressure and reiterating official sources. 

[Sabela 15]

Thank you, @jostermacedoand @powerpuff.   I am quite mad and frustrated. I did share with them the USCIS links saying that the visa with the I-551 stamp is a valid acceptable document, but they just sent me this again:

 

"I understand what you are saying about the passport, however like I mentioned before our office will need some document stating that you are obtaining a green card. The passport will not work for this. If you need further assistance, I can have my supervisor reach out in the New Year."

 

I am clueless on what else to say / do, because they are clearly reluctant to accept "only" documents from List B and C (or A, for that matter, as I am seeing), they need that document stating that I'll be obtaining a green card.... And, as far as I know, that does not exist or I do not have one for me.

[jostermacedo 54]

2 minutes ago, Sabela said:

Thank you, @jostermacedoand @powerpuff.   I am quite mad and frustrated. I did share with them the USCIS links saying that the visa with the I-551 stamp is a valid acceptable document, but they just sent me this again:

 

"I understand what you are saying about the passport, however like I mentioned before our office will need some document stating that you are obtaining a green card. The passport will not work for this. If you need further assistance, I can have my supervisor reach out in the New Year."

 

I am clueless on what else to say / do, because they are clearly reluctant to accept "only" documents from List B and C (or A, for that matter, as I am seeing), they need that document stating that I'll be obtaining a green card.... And, as far as I know, that does not exist or I do not have one for me.

I don't know what additional advice to give you. The official documents are clear as they show as a valid A document what you gave them. It seems talking to these HR people is like playing chess with a pigeon. They are not going to learn the rules of the game.

[milimelo 4,463]

Well it's not just the passport you're showing them - it's the immigrant visa in the passport that has been stamped and turns into the temporary green card for 1 year. No ifs ands or buts. If they're that dense to not comprehend it, offer to do a conference call with DHS and DOL with them on I-9 rules missapplication pls you could work an equal employment opportunity claim that they're using your immigrant background and not giving you a job. 

 

I'd do I-9 form and highlight what you're choosing to provide - unrestricted SSN and DL or ID is the best option. Then highlight they don't get to tell you what they'll accept as proof. 

[Pat2021 43]

As people said, sounds like HR has no clue what they are doing.
Perhaps they'd be satisfied with a screenshot of the USCIS status from paying your immigrant visa fee? (It's a new case number, you received it in the payment confirmation)

It should not count as official but with how dense they seem to be, maybe that'll satisfy them regardless?

[Mike E 11,739]

1 hour ago, Sabela said:

"[...] First question was about the petition, when you get an offer for a position you will need to bring a document that states that you have applied to become a permanent resident and or something that says they will be sending you your green card. If you have your green card before you get approved to work, just bring that."

Last time I am going to say this and then I am out of this thread: HR can not  legally require you produce a green card or evidence that you will get a green card.  
 

You need to start telling HR what you will do and versus letting them tell you what to do.  They have no control here.  They might imagine they have control.  
 

Every day they delay your employment is going to cost them money. 
 

I’m out. 

Edited December 21, 2022 by Mike E

[TBoneTX 45,001]

10 hours ago, jostermacedo said:

They are not going to learn the rules of the game.

At least not until legal action is applied against them, and then they'll holler "Uncle!" in a hurry.

[Prizm123 1,086]

On 12/21/2022 at 9:40 AM, Sabela said:

Thank you, @jostermacedoand @powerpuff.   I am quite mad and frustrated. I did share with them the USCIS links saying that the visa with the I-551 stamp is a valid acceptable document, but they just sent me this again:

 

"I understand what you are saying about the passport, however like I mentioned before our office will need some document stating that you are obtaining a green card. The passport will not work for this. If you need further assistance, I can have my supervisor reach out in the New Year."

 

I am clueless on what else to say / do, because they are clearly reluctant to accept "only" documents from List B and C (or A, for that matter, as I am seeing), they need that document stating that I'll be obtaining a green card.... And, as far as I know, that does not exist or I do not have one for me.

just tell them the next correspondence will be from an attorney for their education and that since their HR department is unable to read simple documents and requirements you will be looking for employment elsewhere.

[Natepartlan 11]

@Sabela

 

So what happened?

[Sabela 15]

I was finally not hired at that place...