I-129F is about to be automatically rejected for a Russian beneficiary, should I even fight?

[Romeo and Juliet 4]

Hello friends. Sorry to sound pessimistic, but life is not always fair...
I want to ask a question and I've asked a similar question already in different words, but for some reason it was immediately deleted: I was told because I was not serious and was trolling..
But I wasn't and I am serious. Maybe I am just not a good story teller...

So please consider:
As far as I understand I get from USCIS only 3 chances in a lifetime to bring a fiancé into this country. I've already used one many years ago. After about 15 years the marriage is over.

At this time, for a very long time I am getting through an ongoing I-29F process to get K-1 for my second attempt, but it doesn't look promising (USCIS is not being good/fair in this case at all, to say the least, even though my first case was superfast and simple: this time they are asking for more and more paperwork from decades ago that is not easy to get, I suppose because of the Russian origin of my fiancé), it looks like I need to hire an attorney, more process time, or... just give up.
I tried to use search on this site and I tried googling in general, but I cannot find answers to what seems to be the simplest questions:
- Actually, is this really true that I have only 3 chances in my lifetime to apply for a fiancé visa? (sorry, I am not an SME, I only heard that this is the case)

- If a fiancé visa is denied, does this mean that you "loose 1 life"? (meaning you have 1 less attempt available left out of 3 for your lifetime allotment of the number of times to apply for fiancé visas)

 

My fiancé is in Russia, and BTW, we've met years ago, way way before any "Russian agenda".  But she doesn't speak English and it is superhard in the modern times to arrange for an interview in Russian language, even if the K-1 interview is approved (when the time comes for a K-1 interview for Russians: embassies are closed for Russians that had K-1 interviews available in Russian language, travel for Russian nationals is quite restricted, and so forth). All this makes me think that if by fiancé visa being denied I do not in fact "loose 1 attempt" out of 3 (and I still will have that attempt saved), I should just give up and try my chances somewhere else.. Life is short, to fight USCIS for even longer time at the end not even having a relatively humane way to interview is just an overkill...

 

My main question is what do I loose by having an application (I-29F) denied automatically just by not providing to the USINS some old documents from decades ago? Will I still preserve my 2 lifetime chances to get fiancé visas?

Please help with advise.. Sorry for a wordy message. I just wanted to explain clearly my concerns.

Edited December 18, 2022 by A citizen

[Boiler 45,443]

I believe the VJ current K1 record is 5

 

Why do you not just marry and go that route?

[Letspaintcookies 2,310]

What you heard is wrong. What is correct that after a certain amounts of filing for a K1 and bringing 'people over' you'll have to request a waiver  which is typically granted if USCIS thinks it's genuine.

 

I second @Boiler with get married and apply for CR-1 if you feel like you're getting nowhere with the K-1 but my guess is that they'll want to see the same documents as what they're asking for now. So you'll have to get them no matter what.

[Romeo and Juliet 4]

26 minutes ago, Boiler said:

I believe the VJ current K1 record is 5

Thank you : )  
What is VJ?

 

Should I then just withdraw the I-129F application?

Edited December 18, 2022 by A citizen
+1 question

[powerpuff 6,677]

1 minute ago, A citizen said:

Thank you : )  
What is VJ?

Visa Journey 

[Romeo and Juliet 4]

43 minutes ago, Boiler said:

I believe the VJ current K1 record is 5

So sorry, I am trying to understand the meaning (since there is a big difference):

- this means only 5 times one can apply for different beneficiaries' K-1's

or

- one can apply 5 or more times for different beneficiaries', but only 5 times visas can be either approved or denied, and then you're out, no matter visas were approved or denied

or

- one can apply 5 or more times for different beneficiaries' and these 5+ times visas can be denied, but only up to 5 times visas will be approved, at max (i.e. only successful approvals are considered in "5")

Edited December 18, 2022 by A citizen

[Boiler 45,443]

It means I have not seen someone hit 6

[iwannaplay54 985]

59 minutes ago, A citizen said:

Hello friends. Sorry to sound pessimistic, but life is not always fair...
I want to ask a question and I've asked a similar question already in different words, but for some reason it was immediately deleted: I was told because I was not serious and was trolling..
But I wasn't and I am serious. Maybe I am just not a good story teller...

So please consider:
As far as I understand I get from USCIS only 3 chances in a lifetime to bring a fiancé into this country. I've already used one many years ago. After about 15 years the marriage is over.

At this time, for a very long time I am getting through an ongoing I-29F process to get K-1 for my second attempt, but it doesn't look promising (USCIS is not being good/fair in this case at all, to say the least, even though my first case was superfast and simple: this time they are asking for more and more paperwork from decades ago that is not easy to get, I suppose because of the Russian origin of my fiancé), it looks like I need to hire an attorney, more process time, or... just give up.
I tried to use search on this site and I tried googling in general, but I cannot find answers to what seems to be the simplest questions:
- Actually, is this really true that I have only 3 chances in my lifetime to apply for a fiancé visa? (sorry, I am not an SME, I only heard that this is the case)

- If a fiancé visa is denied, does this mean that you "loose 1 life"? (meaning you have 1 less attempt available left out of 3 for your lifetime allotment of the number of times to apply for fiancé visas)

 

My fiancé is in Russia, and BTW, we've met years ago, way way before any "Russian agenda".  But she doesn't speak English and it is superhard in the modern times to arrange for an interview in Russian language, even if the K-1 interview is approved (when the time comes for a K-1 interview for Russians: embassies are closed for Russians that had K-1 interviews available in Russian language, travel for Russian nationals is quite restricted, and so forth). All this makes me think that if by fiancé visa being denied I do not in fact "loose 1 attempt" out of 3 (and I still will have that attempt saved), I should just give up and try my chances somewhere else.. Life is short, to fight USCIS for even longer time at the end not even having a relatively humane way to interview is just an overkill...

 

My main question is what do I loose by having an application (I-29F) denied automatically just by not providing to the USINS some old documents from decades ago? Will I still preserve my 2 lifetime chances to get fiancé visas?

Please help with advise.. Sorry for a wordy message. I just wanted to explain clearly my concerns.

Has your petition been denied?  What specifically is the problem with your case?

[iwannaplay54 985]

16 minutes ago, A citizen said:

So sorry, I am trying to understand the meaning (since there is a big difference):

- this means only 5 times one can apply for different beneficiaries' K-1's

or

- one can apply 5 or more times for different beneficiaries', but only 5 times visas can be either approved or denied, and then you're out, no matter visas were approved or denied

or

- one can apply 5 or more times for different beneficiaries' and these 5+ times visas can be denied, but only up to 5 times visas will be approved, at max (i.e. only successful approvals are considered in "5")

Good grief.  I’m beginning to understand that deleted post.

It means there are people who have successfully petitioned (5) different fiancés  

 

 

 

Edited December 18, 2022 by iwannaplay54

[iwannaplay54 985]

11 minutes ago, Boiler said:

It means I have not seen someone hit 6

5 seems exhausting

[Romeo and Juliet 4]

13 minutes ago, iwannaplay54 said:

Has your petition been denied?  What specifically is the problem with your case?

They did not like how I answered a a background question about myself (I know, I should have hired an attorney). I am not in any way guilty, but they opened a can of worms and picking one at a time, enjoying it I guess...

Edited December 18, 2022 by A citizen

[Boiler 45,443]

2 minutes ago, iwannaplay54 said:

5 seems exhausting

You would think

[iwannaplay54 985]

1 minute ago, A citizen said:

They did not like how I answered a a background question about myself (I know, I should have hired an attorney). I am not in any way guilty, but they opened a can of worms and picking one at a time, enjoying it I guess...

They meaning USCIS?

[Lynxyonok 316]

1 hour ago, A citizen said:

My main question is what do I loose by having an application (I-29F) denied automatically just by not providing to the USINS some old documents from decades ago? Will I still preserve my 2 lifetime chances to get fiancé visas?

 

If your relationship is genuine, I'd fight to the end & provide all the data I can.

 

Having a denied application on the grounds of insufficient data would be a major red flag in my opinion.

 

Are you on the additional RFE step already? Or has it gone past that?

 

I've seen 4 cases reopened in the past year - do not give up.

[Romeo and Juliet 4]

6 minutes ago, iwannaplay54 said:

Good grief.  I’m beginning to understand that deleted post.

@iwannaplay54 : I respect your answer, but why is it a taboo question? It is hard to find the right partner for life. I think it does make sense to know:

 

1 hour ago, Boiler said:

I believe the VJ current K1 record is 5

Okay, let me a bit rephrase:

- this means only 5 times one can apply for different beneficiaries' K-1's. Period. Each application counts

or

- one can apply 5 or more times for different beneficiaries', but only 5 times visas can be either approved or denied (since an application can also be withdrawn, and withdrawn ones do not count in this scenario)

or

- one can apply 5 or more times for different beneficiaries' and these 5+ times visas can be denied, but only up to 5 times visas will be approved, at max (i.e. only successful approvals are considered in "5")

I do not insist on someone answering this question, because it is only a side question. 
My main question was and remains:

- Do denied or withdrawn applications count as attempts (of the allotment which has only a limited number) or not? That's all