Religious letter

[Boiler 45,468]

2 minutes ago, Kanja said:

Anecdotally I read a book about a woman in Saudi Arabia where she indicated neither she or her sisters were allowed to meet their spouses. They only spoke on the phone. 

No doubt

 

But that is not going to get them a waiver. Not that I am suggesting they were looking to immigrate to the US.

 

The one vaguely comparable, Afghanistan but not religion, who surprising got a waiver failed at the Consulate.

 

[Family 3,988]

Thanks @Kanja..just watched my first Fulani Sharo Festival 😅

[Family 3,988]

Here’s a Jan 2022 denial of an appeal where case is similar to OP . Waiver will be next door to impossible.

Best course is to give it a Hail Mary shot at RFE, but book next flight to Yemen ,  get married and file I-130, don’t waste time appealing the inevitable denial.
 

For the following reasons, the evidence ofrecord is insufficient to establish that an in-person meeting would violate the strict and long-established customs of the Beneficiary's foreign culture or social practice.

 

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/err/D6 - Fiancees and Fiances of U.S. Citizen (K-1)/Decisions_Issued_in_2022/JAN052022_02D6101.pdf

[Kanja 201]

25 minutes ago, Boiler said:

No doubt

 

But that is not going to get them a waiver. Not that I am suggesting they were looking to immigrate to the US.

 

The one vaguely comparable, Afghanistan but not religion, who surprising got a waiver failed at the Consulate.

 

Out of curiosity, do you remember a bit more of the background of the folks that got the waiver? 

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7 minutes ago, Family said:

Here’s a Jan 2022 denial of an appeal where case is similar to OP . Waiver will be next door to impossible.

Best course is to give it a Hail Mary shot at RFE, but book next flight to Yemen ,  get married and file I-130, don’t waste time appealing the inevitable denial.
 

For the following reasons, the evidence ofrecord is insufficient to establish that an in-person meeting would violate the strict and long-established customs of the Beneficiary's foreign culture or social practice.

 

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/err/D6 - Fiancees and Fiances of U.S. Citizen (K-1)/Decisions_Issued_in_2022/JAN052022_02D6101.pdf

Not that I am an expert in customs of the DRC but I have a lot of friends from there and have never ever in my life heard of such a custom, based on this I’m not surprised they were denied, which seems like a good decision. 

Edited December 12, 2022 by Kanja

[Family 3,988]

2 minutes ago, Kanja said:

Not that I am an expert in customs of the DRC but I have a lot of friends from their and have never ever in my life heard of such a custom, based on this I’m not surprised they were denied, which seems like a good decision

This particular “ pastor” who wrote the letter was also the father of the bride… lol so it’s an example of what OPs letter should not be.

 

Will see other AAO decisions 

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12 minutes ago, Kanja said:

Out of curiosity, do you remember a bit more of the background of the folks that got the waiver? 

It was a long time ago and no way will I find it even if I could remember where to look.

 

Pretty sure it was Philippines, she had been refused a B several times and medically he could not travel and could easily prove it.

 

Now PI is one of a few places where the K1 might then fly.

 

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16 minutes ago, Family said:

Here’s a Jan 2022 denial of an appeal where case is similar to OP . Waiver will be next door to impossible.

Best course is to give it a Hail Mary shot at RFE, but book next flight to Yemen ,  get married and file I-130, don’t waste time appealing the inevitable denial.
 

For the following reasons, the evidence ofrecord is insufficient to establish that an in-person meeting would violate the strict and long-established customs of the Beneficiary's foreign culture or social practice.

 

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/err/D6 - Fiancees and Fiances of U.S. Citizen (K-1)/Decisions_Issued_in_2022/JAN052022_02D6101.pdf

Very clearly fraudulent but really like how the decision was written in effectively saying so without saying so.

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Ohh I did look at the OP's prior posts and could not find any mention of this, seems like the OP has been in process for a year. So have no idea what the details of the issue are except what has been posted on this thread.

[Family 3,988]

And here is a successful/ approved waiver supported by a letter from the temple pundit..which is why I always encourage Hail Mary efforts.
 

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/err/D6 - Fiancees and Fiances of U.S. Citizen (K-1)/Decisions_Issued_in_2018/JUL112018_02D6101.pdf

The Petitioner has established that discretionary waivers both of the two-year in person meeting
requirement and of the IMBRA limitation are warranted

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4 minutes ago, Family said:

And here is a successful/ approved waiver supported by a letter from the temple pundit..which is why I always encourage Hail Mary efforts.
 

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/err/D6 - Fiancees and Fiances of U.S. Citizen (K-1)/Decisions_Issued_in_2018/JUL112018_02D6101.pdf

The Petitioner has established that discretionary waivers both of the two-year in person meeting
requirement and of the IMBRA limitation are warranted

As the lady found out in the Afghanistan situation you need two Hail Mary's. The Consulate returned the first one to die, I guess there is no way of knowing if the second one was returned. Which would then be 3 or 4 years wasted.

[Family 3,988]

9 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Very clearly fraudulent but really like how the decision was written in effectively saying so without saying so.

The Good New Message Church cited in the denial is however a real church…
 

https://en.eglisebonnouveaumessagekcc.org/

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6 minutes ago, Family said:

The Good New Message Church cited in the denial is however a real church…
 

https://en.eglisebonnouveaumessagekcc.org/

I did not doubt that, I looked on their web site and they are Bible based and there was a picture showing a mixed congregation. Makes you wonder how they ever marry if they can not marry somebody they have met. They have to marry somebody who does not go to the same church?

[Family 3,988]

4 minutes ago, Boiler said:

13 minutes ago, Family said:

The Good New Message Church cited in the denial is however a real church…
 

https://en.eglisebonnouveaumessagekcc.org/

I did not doubt that, I looked on their web site and they are Bible based and there was a picture showing a mixed congregation. Makes you wonder how they ever marry if they can not marry somebody they have met. They have to marry somebody who does not go to the same church?

Clearly USCIS lacked both faith and humor. First of all the pastor ( who started as a Protestant , then Catholic and ultimately a prophet  ) also had a church in the beneficiaries country of birth and beneficiary was a member….

 

[iwannaplay54 985]

7 hours ago, Family said:

You are right…I looked at the section that designated the consulate.

 

Hopefully members more intimate knowledge of Islamic sects can shed light on existence of this strict practice. 
 

 

Non-existent.  Assuming they are Muslim these two are allowed to meet in person with a chaperone present.  

Edited December 12, 2022 by iwannaplay54