Delayed Medical due to children Covid Vaccine 2nd shot

[milimelo 4,477]

58 minutes ago, Poppy65100 said:

@milimelo hey this is helpful. When did you have your medicals? 
 

the lady at the medical office said even though it’s not routinely given, my daughter has to have it as she was born before a certain date and it’s a CDC requirement. She wouldn’t back down. They don’t have our details yet, it was an anonymous call. 
 

heeelp 

I'm way past immigration but still active on here. 

 

I've been questioning the need for covid shots for a long time now - they're still EUA and proper informed consent is not given but things just shoved in immigrants' faces - comply or don't get in. 

Per https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/panel-physicians/covid-19-technical-instructions.html  one can do religious OR MORAL conviction waiver (I-601) with USCIS. If I were an intending immigrant I'd certainly pause immigrant visa for however long it takes to get the I-601 waiver. 

Do read through the technical instructions as you have options. Good luck! 

 

• Not age-appropriate
  For COVID-19 vaccines, the age at which a particular vaccine can be administered differs by formulation. If the applicant is younger than the lowest age limit set by the US FDA or WHO for the approved COVID-19 vaccine formulations in use, this blanket waiver should be documented. At this time, the WHO has only approved vaccines for people 18 years of age and older; however, the US FDA has authorized Pfizer BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines for emergency use in children. Therefore, vaccination is required for applicant children if available to them in the country of the exam. If, in the country where the exam is performed, there is an age restriction (for example, the vaccine is only being given to people over the age of 18 and the applicant is younger than 18), this blanket waiver should be documented.

Edited January 13, 2023 by milimelo
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[milimelo 4,477]

Stay tuned, I've got some official links I'm waiting on from an individual that should help with covid-19 shots. It's clearly not required from immigrants but obviously this information hasn't trickled down to panel-physicians and one has to raise it and fight it all the way through. 

[milimelo 4,477]

Ok, here it is: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/proof-of-vaccination.html/#us-residents

 

So, no, panel-physicians shouldn't be requiring covid shots for immigrants even if it's listed on the medical exam. Whoever had it by choice fine, but can't push it on folks if they don't want it. You bring this printout with you to the panel-physician, they'll leave that part of medical exam blank, no repercussions. Person did this in November 2022 and visa was issued no delay. 

Immigrants and Other Non-affected Persons

The Presidential Proclamation and CDC’s Amended Order do not apply to immigrants (including Special Immigrant Visa holders). An immigrant is any non-U.S. citizen who has a visa listed in “Immigrant Visa Categories” on the U.S. Department of State’s webpage Directory of Visa Categories; it does not include K nonimmigrant visa holders, who are Covered Individuals (see below).

The Presidential Proclamation and CDC’s Amended Order have no effect on several non-U.S. citizens, including:

• Non-U.S. citizens eligible for asylum;
• Non-U.S. citizens eligible for withholding of removal;
• Non-U.S. citizens eligible for protection under the regulations issued pursuant to the legislation implementing the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment;
• Non-U.S. citizens admitted to the United States as refugees;
  • Persons with a visa 92 or 93 (Follow-to-Join) status; and
• Non-U.S. citizens granted parole into the United States.

NOTE: Certain categories of non-U.S. citizens, including immigrant visa applicants/holders, refugees, parolees, and asylees, and those seeking to enter the United States by land or sea travel may be subject to separate COVID-19 vaccination requirements. These individuals are advised to consult and become familiar with all applicable U.S. requirements for entry.

 

 

[Wuozopo 4,293]

4 hours ago, Poppy65100 said:

So it makes sense why the nurses I’ve spoken to over the last hour at the go, 119 and the vaccine line are questioning why my daughter needs it. I personally don’t know a child that’s been vaccinated that’s why I’m more concerned. 

I’d be grateful for any reassurance.

It comes down to bureaucracy of immigration. Do you want to immigrate and follow the requirements for admission or not? I understand you have strong feelings about this and it is a difficult choice for you.
 

I follow an epidemiologist who explains the science and I  believe the immunisations to be a way you can protect your children. I don’t follow political leanings or what the neighbors are doing. Covid has not gone away and it is constantly mutating and changing. Our close friend who is a Nurse Practicioner (higher level of nursing degree) got her four children immunised immediately upon them reaching the age level allowed or the age levels lowered. So we have different experiences with trusted professionals. We have a close family connection  with the head doctor of a large pediatric hospital. He is also an infectious disease expert and spent his early career saving thousands of children across the globe of AIDS at the time of its onset. I know of the overflow of pediatric Covid infections at his hospital and his efforts to save the little ones. He believes in vaccination so we are influenced by that too. Everybody has their own opinions or reasons. That is just some examples of why we get vaccinated and boosted. I’ve had 4 shots/boosters and my wife has had six with no ill effects except for a bit if a sore arm. We’ve had an okay experience thus far.

 

I hope you can work out something that you are comfortable with. 

Edited January 13, 2023 by Wuozopo

[Wuozopo 4,293]

4 hours ago, milimelo said:

An immigrant is any non-U.S. citizen who has a visa listed in “Immigrant Visa Categories” on the U.S. Department of State’s webpage ……..

The family does not have visas yet. They are trying to meet the requirements of getting one. Not sure this applies. If one could confuse the medical blokes and the consulate with the verbiage, maybe they could slip by. Wondering how others read this? 
 

4 hours ago, milimelo said:

NOTE: Certain categories of non-U.S. citizens, including immigrant visa applicants/holders, refugees, parolees, and asylees, and those seeking to enter the United States by land or sea travel may be subject to separate COVID-19 vaccination requirements. These individuals are advised to consult and become familiar with all applicable U.S. requirements for entry.

 

This seems to indicate applicants may have other rules. 
It’s helpful that you are digging for loopholes. Good effort.

[Poppy65100 13]

4 hours ago, milimelo said:

Ok, here it is: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/proof-of-vaccination.html/#us-residents

 

So, no, panel-physicians shouldn't be requiring covid shots for immigrants even if it's listed on the medical exam. Whoever had it by choice fine, but can't push it on folks if they don't want it. You bring this printout with you to the panel-physician, they'll leave that part of medical exam blank, no repercussions. Person did this in November 2022 and visa was issued no delay. 

Immigrants and Other Non-affected Persons

The Presidential Proclamation and CDC’s Amended Order do not apply to immigrants (including Special Immigrant Visa holders). An immigrant is any non-U.S. citizen who has a visa listed in “Immigrant Visa Categories” on the U.S. Department of State’s webpage Directory of Visa Categories; it does not include K nonimmigrant visa holders, who are Covered Individuals (see below).

The Presidential Proclamation and CDC’s Amended Order have no effect on several non-U.S. citizens, including:

• Non-U.S. citizens eligible for asylum;
• Non-U.S. citizens eligible for withholding of removal;
• Non-U.S. citizens eligible for protection under the regulations issued pursuant to the legislation implementing the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment;
• Non-U.S. citizens admitted to the United States as refugees;
  • Persons with a visa 92 or 93 (Follow-to-Join) status; and
• Non-U.S. citizens granted parole into the United States.

NOTE: Certain categories of non-U.S. citizens, including immigrant visa applicants/holders, refugees, parolees, and asylees, and those seeking to enter the United States by land or sea travel may be subject to separate COVID-19 vaccination requirements. These individuals are advised to consult and become familiar with all applicable U.S. requirements for entry.

 

 

@milimelo I guess this is where we’re stuck, we’re k visa holders.

[Wuozopo 4,293]

11 minutes ago, Poppy65100 said:

@milimelo I guess this is where we’re stuck, we’re k visa holders.

You already have K visas in your passport? That would be a visa holder.

Or are you K visa applicants? How many of you are there?

[Poppy65100 13]

1 minute ago, Wuozopo said:

You already have K visas in your passport? That would be a visa holder.

Or are you K visa applicants? How many of you are there?

Hey, we are k visa applicants. It’s my daughter (6) and I. 

[Poppy65100 13]

On 1/13/2023 at 9:54 PM, Poppy65100 said:

Hey, we are k visa applicants. It’s my daughter (6) and I. 

@Wuozopo @milimelo i tried to do some more digging - I saw that it only applies to people applying for a K visa (or non-immigrant us visas). So how does this apply to the link above, I think I misread the one above I? I'm trying to find the link again.

I also saw when entering the country, children under 18 are exempt and spouses/children of military force members are exempt.

The medical office said to me, K1/2 applications, only require it once you're in the country and you're applying for adjustment of status and at that point we will be military spouse/child...

I just cannot get my head around, why they're only enforcing this on select people.

[milimelo 4,477]

16 minutes ago, Poppy65100 said:

@Wuozopo @milimelo i tried to do some more digging - I saw that it only applies to people applying for a K visa (or non-immigrant us visas). So how does this apply to the link above, I think I misread the one above I? I'm trying to find the link again.

I also saw when entering the country, children under 18 are exempt and spouses/children of military force members are exempt.

The medical office said to me, K1/2 applications, only require it once you're in the country and you're applying for adjustment of status and at that point we will be military spouse/child...

I just cannot get my head around, why they're only enforcing this on select people.

K-1 is non-immigrant so you can refuse it under I'll get it in the US but the current problem is getting into the US as they've extended rules for NIV to April. Hopefully those rules are rescinded soon as there's some indication the administration is ready (finally) to end the emergency rules on covid that they've been extending every 90 days most recently last Wednesday. 

 

If your spouse is a military service member use any and all exemptions available to you. 

[Poppy65100 13]

4 minutes ago, milimelo said:

K-1 is non-immigrant so you can refuse it under I'll get it in the US but the current problem is getting into the US as they've extended rules for NIV to April. Hopefully those rules are rescinded soon as there's some indication the administration is ready (finally) to end the emergency rules on covid that they've been extending every 90 days most recently last Wednesday. 

 

If your spouse is a military service member use any and all exemptions available to you. 

Thank you @milimelo! What does NIV stand for? Is that just entry by air requirements?

My daughter will be exempt from that being under 18, where we will be stuck is when we apply for adjustment of status but at that point we will be married within military.

[milimelo 4,477]

19 minutes ago, Poppy65100 said:

Thank you @milimelo! What does NIV stand for? Is that just entry by air requirements?

My daughter will be exempt from that being under 18, where we will be stuck is when we apply for adjustment of status but at that point we will be married within military.

NIV - non-immigrant visa. 

You can always do I-601 for covid shots - others on Vj have successfully done it (for covid shots and/or other vaccines) - try the waivers subforum. You can do it on religious and/or moral grounds. 

[Poppy65100 13]

On 1/18/2023 at 8:10 PM, milimelo said:

NIV - non-immigrant visa. 

You can always do I-601 for covid shots - others on Vj have successfully done it (for covid shots and/or other vaccines) - try the waivers subforum. You can do it on religious and/or moral grounds. 

I’ve heard back from CDC in writing. 
 

They sent me a list of required vaccines and covid wasn’t on there. I did specially ask about the covid one 🤷‍♀️

[milimelo 4,477]

6 hours ago, Poppy65100 said:

I’ve heard back from CDC in writing. 
 

They sent me a list of required vaccines and covid wasn’t on there. I did specially ask about the covid one 🤷‍♀️

I'd print that and have it with you and also include that in your I-693 (you're coming in on K1 and K2, correct?) come AOS time. 

 

BTW, I'd love to see the verbiage from CDC on this - could you DM me minus any personal info?

[Poppy65100 13]

@milimelo No problem, I will do!

Edited January 21, 2023 by Poppy65100