Strange thing about locked threads

[TracyTN 237]

The point is, EVERYONE feels attacked, and EVERYONE uses that as justification for attacking the other. This dynamic cannot be moderated by anyone other than one's self.

There are some pretty nasty things being said in here. I cannot for the life of me understand how one can claim the high road at the same time as contributing to the poo fling.

It's a never ending cycle which will only end when each party wants it to end. The mods can do everything under the sun....but finger wagging and punishments only go so far.

Is that the point?

I thought what we were mainly discussing here was what action the mods should take after someone is 'punished' - PM both parties involved in the fracas? Put the 'suspension' up in a thread? Or, as it is now, mete out the punishment 'silently'? Etc and so on.

I think we've had that chicken and egg discussion about culpability in attacks MANY moons ago (and mainly got nowhere with it, except people having to agree to disagree).

*edited for clarity*

Edited July 24, 2007 by TracyTN

[Fandango 1,440]

The point is, EVERYONE feels attacked, and EVERYONE uses that as justification for attacking the other. This dynamic cannot be moderated by anyone other than one's self.

There are some pretty nasty things being said in here. I cannot for the life of me understand how one can claim the high road at the same time as contributing to the poo fling.

It's a never ending cycle which will only end when each party wants it to end. The mods can do everything under the sun....but finger wagging and punishments only go so far.

Is that the point?

I thought what we were mainly discussing here was what action the mods should take after someone is 'punished' - PM both parties involved in the fracas? Put the 'suspension' up in a thread? Or, as it is now, mete out the punishment 'silently'? Etc and so on.

I think we've had that chicken and egg discussion about culpability in attacks MANY moons ago (and mainly got nowhere with it, except people having to agree to disagree).

*edited for clarity*

The point that I was trying to make, Tracy, is that BEFORE it escalates into such a fracas, it can be diffused like adults. There's no secret that it's very '####### for tat' lately and then followed by a thread in site discussion as to what's wrong with the site. Why are we always on this merry go round?

I've dealt with issues behind the scenes where a simple response was given which answered my question...I don't think it's a great conspiracy or a refusal of the mods/E to cooperate...I think the heart of the matter really is a bandwagon mentality situation to publicly complain about something because the decision isn't what some would like to see.

[Jenn! 918]

There's no secret that it's very '####### for tat' lately and then followed by a thread in site discussion as to what's wrong with the site. Why are we always on this merry go round?

I think it's because the tats are allowed to hang around. If there is no tat, there is no need for #######. We go around the merry-go-round because it is never nipped in the bud.

[LaL 418]

There's no secret that it's very '####### for tat' lately and then followed by a thread in site discussion as to what's wrong with the site. Why are we always on this merry go round?

I think it's because the tats are allowed to hang around. If there is no tat, there is no need for #######. We go around the merry-go-round because it is never nipped in the bud.

never? ouch.

[Jenn! 918]

There's no secret that it's very '####### for tat' lately and then followed by a thread in site discussion as to what's wrong with the site. Why are we always on this merry go round?

I think it's because the tats are allowed to hang around. If there is no tat, there is no need for #######. We go around the merry-go-round because it is never nipped in the bud.

never? ouch.

Sorry, you're right that's not fair. If it's nipped in the bud then we don't see ti.

How about "often not"?

Edited July 24, 2007 by jenn3539

[TracyTN 237]

The point that I was trying to make, Tracy, is that BEFORE it escalates into such a fracas, it can be diffused like adults. There's no secret that it's very '####### for tat' lately and then followed by a thread in site discussion as to what's wrong with the site. Why are we always on this merry go round?

I've dealt with issues behind the scenes where a simple response was given which answered my question...I don't think it's a great conspiracy or a refusal of the mods/E to cooperate...I think the heart of the matter really is a bandwagon mentality situation to publicly complain about something because the decision isn't what some would like to see.

Right, but I thought we've traversed that ground before, endlessly, in other threads. I just didn't see that as the point in this thread.

Personally, I think the reason we are on the merry go round is NOT that the mods aren't handling issues; rather, its that the people involved in the fracas to begin with don't know that it was handled (except the party who gets the smackdown) and thus, their need for an answer brings us to the merry go round.

Edited July 24, 2007 by TracyTN

[d_brit 0]

The point is, EVERYONE feels attacked, and EVERYONE uses that as justification for attacking the other. This dynamic cannot be moderated by anyone other than one's self.

There are some pretty nasty things being said in here. I cannot for the life of me understand how one can claim the high road at the same time as contributing to the poo fling.

It's a never ending cycle which will only end when each party wants it to end. The mods can do everything under the sun....but finger wagging and punishments only go so far.

[Mags 112]

The point is, EVERYONE feels attacked, and EVERYONE uses that as justification for attacking the other. This dynamic cannot be moderated by anyone other than one's self.

There are some pretty nasty things being said in here. I cannot for the life of me understand how one can claim the high road at the same time as contributing to the poo fling.

It's a never ending cycle which will only end when each party wants it to end. The mods can do everything under the sun....but finger wagging and punishments only go so far.

Troll accounts will not be tolerated.

Edited July 24, 2007 by mags

[TracyTN 237]

A troll? That member joined in 2006.

[no name 1]

I just matched up the language of your post with the footer (use of the word martyr being a give away) - not exactly rocket science. It was clear you had an issue with someone and were using your footer to advertise that fact. What's this about a raging arsehole you say?

Sometimes it's so ironic it's like reading Kierkegaard.

:lol:

Why are skins so thin here that people feel the need to tattle about anyone who says something against them or even just disagrees with them? I've owned several message boards, been a member on a lot more, and I have NEVER seen so much whining, tattling, and finger-pointing as I have here.

If we're that vile to be around, why the hell are you here? Mags is a big girl - not to mention smart and capable - which is why I'm quite sure she can handle herself without your 'help'. And we get it, you detest Dev. You think we're all whiners and tattlers. You enjoy stomping around here and being an arsehole. Etc. and so forth. Duly noted.

I can't speak for anyone else in this thread, but I did not contribute to it to pick on or attack the mods. (I think they have a thankless, difficult job.) I am trying to come up with feasible solutions to the issues at hand. I'm sure that won't stop you from stomping on me, but now that I know your M.O., I'll be sure not to take it personally.

And if this now makes me one of the whiners/tattlers, then yay for me! :D

The ONLY reason I posted to this thread was because I can only take so much before I have to say what's on my mind.

Oh. AND I quit smoking Sunday.

And somehow that give you the right to come in here & call me names? I quit smoking too & was never such a *#*$%@&$@#*(%. You constantly chase me down to come in a thread & attack me. GROW UP. It is allowed to go on & On, and I can't say it's because your wife is a mod. IN this very thread she says you are different people, yet you can bet your sweet a$$, if anyone else made that comment, she would have said, 'NOW NOW, stop the name calling or I will close the thread.'

BTW: I do have you on ignore but I can see your childish posting in others posts.

Edited July 24, 2007 by devilette

[Mags 112]

A troll? Thaught member joined in 2006.

But it is the first and ONLY post made by that member since joining; seems a very strange way to introduce yourself to VJ. Many people here have "alternative" accounts in which they feel able to vent or "troll" other members through. Just because the age of the account is 11 months old it does not mean that it wasn't the purpose of it when it was created.

It just means that they've not used it yet.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

When is asking someone to fill in their timelines a troll - people do it all the time. Or is this a question of perceived intent?

[no name 1]

A troll? Thaught member joined in 2006.

But it is the first and ONLY post made by that member since joining; seems a very strange way to introduce yourself to VJ. Many people here have "alternative" accounts in which they feel able to vent or "troll" other members through. Just because the age of the account is 11 months old it does not mean that it wasn't the purpose of it when it was created.

It just means that they've not used it yet.

Geez, benefit of the doubt much? There was a post yesterday with an obvious MENA troll that went on for pages without closing it or a warning!

Grr I typed a big long essay and it's gone! (my error, not the invisibility elf)

OK I've hesitated on having any input on this thread for the last 2 days, following my warning for thinly veiled opinions and piggybacking on others comments. I don't see how I can comment without piggybacking and thinly veiled opinions seem to be running rampant in this thread.

There are 2 camps in the VJ UK forum. This isn't going to go away overnight, but really does need to go away as it's causing a really bad atmosphere. I would think out of everyone, the mods would be the people who would want this resolved as quickly as possible. The people complaining are not asking for an eternity of a$$ kissing and apologies, they're asking for acknowledgement. That's all. Acknowledgement that their complaints through the proper channels are not falling on deaf ears because of who they are. You don't have to name names, publicly humiliate or flog someone. I once complained about a mod and got the response from Ewok "read the thread, totally agree with you, I'll PM them now". That's all it took. I was happy my complaint/query had been dealt with in the right way and this person would heed the warning given to them.

As for members being rated on their valuability to VJ, damn right! If someone who doesn't or hasn't been through the visa process and only posts in OT is complaining about a member who supplies countless posts on visa problems and answers the poster efficiently and correctly, who is the more deserving to be here? I know personally that some of the people in this thread alone helped me immensely on my journey, and if it wasn't for them I would have been heavily medicated by now.

Now let's take this thread for instance. PlatyPius comes in and calls Dev names. Outright. No thinly veiled opinions, no code, nothing. I would like to think Mags has said something to him face to face. Do I know that's happened? no. If I ask, will Mags tell me? no. So therein lies the frustration. All Mags says is a disclaimer that her husband can call people names and she doesn't necessarily agree with him. This is just so wrong in my opinion. If it had been me who had called Dev names, I would have been reported, possibly PM'd and a warning would be in the thread to avoid personal attacks.

Also just for the record.. it really doesn't look too professional or fill people with confidence when even a Mod's husband admits to only being here to be an a$$hole.

Just my views. I don't have diseases and I'm not suffering from any withdrawals of anything, so this is me rationally saying what I think, no excuses.

Where is Capn on this discussion? Mags has been the only one replying with one or two by lal. I think it would be best if he came in here.

[Jenn! 918]

When is asking someone to fill in their timelines a troll - people do it all the time. Or is this a question of perceived intent?

What's wrong with perceived intent though? IMO, the mods aren't permitted to act on their gut instincts nearly enough. Too much benefit of the doubt. Ban them all!!!!

[TracyTN 237]

I'll admit that the 'troll post' was ill placed, but still a legitimate request.