Adding derivative family members to CEAC website 2022

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

1 minute ago, WaitingHayete said:

No, my husband was older when they got married. So again to clarify, if my MIL had a minor child , she could not bring them with her as a derivative family member because she is an immediate relative of my husband but if she was a sister of my spouse then she could? 

Yes. Of course, the effect of annual quotas mean that the sister of your spouse could be waiting 15 years or longer, by which time the minor child might no longer be minor and therefore actually not be allowed to be a derivative after all.

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3 minutes ago, WaitingHayete said:

No, my husband was older when they got married. So again to clarify, if my MIL had a minor child , she could not bring them with her as a derivative family member because she is an immediate relative of my husband but if she was a sister of my spouse then she could? 

Little bit more complicated, petitioning for a Sister now it is most unlikely the child of the Sister would qualify, the child has to be under 21 CSPA adjusted

 

Say the sister was sponsored now and then say the sister had a child in 15 years then the child could probably come.

[Chancy 6,241]

4 minutes ago, WaitingHayete said:

if my MIL had a minor child , she could not bring them with her as a derivative family member because she is an immediate relative of my husband but if she was a sister of my spouse then she could?

 

If she was a sister of your husband, she could bring her child using the same petition, but she would need to wait at least 15 years from petition filing to do so.  Is that really more preferable to filing a new petition and having to wait just 2 years or so to get a visa for an immediate relative of a USC?  In some countries, it could take more than 20 years to be able to get a US visa as a sibling of a USC.

 

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It will be a lot longer than that.

 

I did come across a calculation recently based on the current numbers waiting

 

Assumed every beneficiary had 1 1/2 derivatives.

 

38 years on average.

 

Now it did not seem to take into account those who may die or change their minds. I could not find out if 1 1/2 derivatives is normal, I could see it trending higher.

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

4 minutes ago, Boiler said:

It will be a lot longer than that.

 

I did come across a calculation recently based on the current numbers waiting

 

Assumed every beneficiary had 1 1/2 derivatives.

 

38 years on average.

 

Now it did not seem to take into account those who may die or change their minds. I could not find out if 1 1/2 derivatives is normal, I could see it trending higher.

I suspect that calculation was a straight calculation of waiting list x 1.5 /annual quotas? . It sounds like they may not have accounted for the fact that listed derivatives on the Petition are already in the numbers. You need to take the country limit quotas into account as well. 

Edited October 21, 2022 by SusieQQQ

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1 minute ago, SusieQQQ said:

I suspect that calculation was a straight calculation of waiting list/annual quotas. It sounds like they may not have accounted for the fact that listed derivatives on the Petition are already in the numbers. You need to take the country limit quotas into account as well. 

I used to say 20 year plus for non specified countries and have been edging it up.

 

I think you are correct in assuming that more and more countries will hit the Country limit, India, Nigeria, China etc.

 

With those sort of timelines anything and everything could change, so file and forget and see what happens decades in the future.

 

I think it was just cases, that was the impression I got, people marry and divorce, have children etc so derivatives will be an unknown number.

[WaitingHayete 5]

25 minutes ago, Crazy Cat said:

Correct.  This question come up often.

Probably because the solution doesn’t make sense (my opinion). Whether you wait 15 years for a visa or 10 months it is unthinkable for some people to come to the US without their spouse or minor child. We’ll take what we can get though because we have no choice. 
 

I sincerely thank all of you for your time and expertise. This community has been a vital resource for me these past 10 years.

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2 minutes ago, WaitingHayete said:

Probably because the solution doesn’t make sense (my opinion). Whether you wait 15 years for a visa or 10 months it is unthinkable for some people to come to the US without their spouse or minor child. We’ll take what we can get though because we have no choice. 
 

I sincerely thank all of you for your time and expertise. This community has been a vital resource for me these past 10 years.

I think most people on this thread would agree with you, and I have no idea if the VJ experience is representative, but many do.

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

9 minutes ago, WaitingHayete said:

Probably because the solution doesn’t make sense (my opinion). Whether you wait 15 years for a visa or 10 months it is unthinkable for some people to come to the US without their spouse or minor child. We’ll take what we can get though because we have no choice. 
 

I sincerely thank all of you for your time and expertise. This community has been a vital resource for me these past 10 years.

Visa priorities and properties are enshrined in law in the INA. If it is something you feel strongly about, then you can petition your congressmen and senators to change it. 
 

Also as a reminder - no one is forced to come to the US. Immigration is both a privilege, and a choice for those who immigrate. There are indeed people who choose to remain in their home countries rather than immigrate without particular family members, regardless of their age.  That’s an individual choice based on one’s own priorities.

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

17 minutes ago, Boiler said:

I used to say 20 year plus for non specified countries and have been edging it up.

 

I think you are correct in assuming that more and more countries will hit the Country limit, India, Nigeria, China etc.

 

With those sort of timelines anything and everything could change, so file and forget and see what happens decades in the future.

 

I think it was just cases, that was the impression I got, people marry and divorce, have children etc so derivatives will be an unknown number.

Interesting to know how they got the cases number, afaik that isn’t published separately. Again I suspect that was a calculation error. The published waiting list includes derivatives.  And yes people marry and divorce and children get born and children age out and petitioners die and beneficiaries die, and I think mostly it’s all a wash for the existing waitlist. The issue comes as the waitlist grows every year as more petitions are added.

 

The country limits are currently being hit by India (to a smaller extent) and Mexico and Philippines (to a greater extent). Not China for quite a long time now, as i suspect the effects of the one child policy on limiting potential immigrants is playing out. I should think it would be an exceptionally long time before Nigeria hits it, given how many other high immigration countries have not hit quota, 7% of all immigrants is a big target after all.

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I have not looked at the numbers in any detail, I was just thinking of Countries with large numbers of immigration and China excepted large family sizes. My assumption is that mainly new citizens are filing the new petitions.

[WaitingHayete 5]

8 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

Visa priorities and properties are enshrined in law in the INA. If it is something you feel strongly about, then you can petition your congressmen and senators to change it. 
 

Also as a reminder - no one is forced to come to the US. Immigration is both a privilege, and a choice for those who immigrate. There are indeed people who choose to remain in their home countries rather than immigrate without particular family members, regardless of their age.  That’s an individual choice based on one’s own priorities.

Your answer is condescending and ignorant of the real world and the severe hardships others go though. Living in the USA is not a privilege, it is the luck of where you were born. A person born into severe poverty and governmental corruption deserves their basic human rights and comforts as much as someone born into privilege in the USA. God created the earth, people drew the lines. Thanks, however, for the reminder. 

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2 minutes ago, WaitingHayete said:

Your answer is condescending and ignorant of the real world and the severe hardships others go though. Living in the USA is not a privilege, it is the luck of where you were born. A person born into severe poverty and governmental corruption deserves their basic human rights and comforts as much as someone born into privilege in the USA. God created the earth, people drew the lines. Thanks, however, for the reminder. 

I don't see what she said as condescending or ignorant. She's just stating a fact. I have a sister who's a USC but has chosen to live in Ghana for the past 12 years with her husband and kids by choice. They don't want to migrate, at least not yet. Trust me, there are hardships, and poverty everywhere including big ol USA.

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

16 minutes ago, WaitingHayete said:

Your answer is condescending and ignorant of the real world and the severe hardships others go though. Living in the USA is not a privilege, it is the luck of where you were born. A person born into severe poverty and governmental corruption deserves their basic human rights and comforts as much as someone born into privilege in the USA. God created the earth, people drew the lines. Thanks, however, for the reminder. 

Your answer is condescending and totally unaware of where i come from, what my family history is, or what me or my family might have gone through in the past. 
 

Fact: no one is entitled to immigrate to the US.

Fact: people can and do make decisions about whether immigrating to the US is more important than leaving family behind.

Fact: if you don’t like the current laws, you can waste time complaining about them on the internet, or try get something concrete done to change them.

And finally, FACT : I feel immensely privileged to have been able to immigrate to this country and become a citizen. 
 

 

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