Blacks in U.S. imprisoned at 5 times the rate of whites

[Heracles 417]

Number_6 we both want the same thing here. Peace and harmony. The area I live in does not have these inequalities. Most people are hard working and doing well. Black, white green whatever.

We obviously disagree on the cause and what is feeding the current situation in other places. You says it is historical incidents and injustices. I say it is current attitudes and people like Jesse Jackson who are profiting from the communities current situation.

Virginia has apologized but things will not change. The racial divide will not go away. Who is keeping it alive?? Hence the article I linked from a state which apologized. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20112312/ With comments such as:

"White folks 'been grindin' on an ax ... and that ax ain't got sharp enough for them," said Earnest Hardy Sr., who called the case a witch hunt targeting a successful black man.

Would the guy who made the above comment not judge me based on me having dark blond hair, green eyes and being Caucasian. But hey as the status quo a white man mentioning the word black is automatically assumed as being racist whereas black person can pretty much say anything under the sun with absolutely any repercussions.

People like JamalNTam basically accuse me of being racist but are all quite on the western from with stuff like the following:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/456363/khall..._the_white_man/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHAg_5tL4gY

If a Caucasian had made the above statements it would be all over the news.

Fair do's - but personally speaking, I wouldn't defend this guy without reading what he's been writing over the last 18-odd pages...

yeah you guys do. the highly opinionated like-minded people in this forum do it all the time.; without naming anyone.. couch cough alex+R Jenn31231 + mr fancy pants

Edited August 6, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Mel_and_Daniel 1]

What about poor Caucasians? Why is it they are not incarcerated the same? Considering there are more poor Caucasians in America. There is a clear correlation between poverty and crime after all right?

Is the population of poor African Americans and poor Caucasian Americans the same?

Edited August 6, 2007 by Mel_and_Daniel

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

We obviously disagree on the cause and what is feeding the current situation in other places. You says it is historical incidents and injustices. I say it is current attitudes and people like Jesse Jackson who are profiting from the communities current situation.

Actually no - my point was that those historical injustices inform the attitudes of the present.

[Heracles 417]

What about poor Caucasians? Why is it they are not incarcerated the same? Considering there are more poor Caucasians in America. There is a clear correlation between poverty and crime after all right?

Is the population of poor African Americans and poor Caucasian Americans the same?

No there are more poor Caucasian Americans. There are not many poor African Americans. There are lots of poor Black Americans but not African Americans.

45,000,000+ Americans live in 'poverty'. Roughly 8,750,000 Black Americans live in poverty. There is clearly no correlation between poverty and crime as the rate of poverty amongst Black Americans is not 5 times the national average; when compared to being imprisoned.

Which basically means 80% of Americans living in poverty are not Black

Edited August 6, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

"White folks 'been grindin' on an ax ... and that ax ain't got sharp enough for them," said Earnest Hardy Sr., who called the case a witch hunt targeting a successful black man.

Would the guy who made the above comment not judge me based on me having dark blond hair, green eyes and being Caucasian. But hey as the status quo a white man mentioning the word black is automatically assumed as being racist whereas black person can pretty much say anything under the sun with absolutely any repercussions.

People like JamalNTam basically accuse me of being racist but are all quite on the western from with stuff like the following:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/456363/khall..._the_white_man/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHAg_5tL4gY

If a Caucasian had made the above statements it would be all over the news.

What I continue to not understand is why you put so much stock in stereotypes.

[Heracles 417]

"White folks 'been grindin' on an ax ... and that ax ain't got sharp enough for them," said Earnest Hardy Sr., who called the case a witch hunt targeting a successful black man.

Would the guy who made the above comment not judge me based on me having dark blond hair, green eyes and being Caucasian. But hey as the status quo a white man mentioning the word black is automatically assumed as being racist whereas black person can pretty much say anything under the sun with absolutely any repercussions.

People like JamalNTam basically accuse me of being racist but are all quite on the western from with stuff like the following:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/456363/khall..._the_white_man/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHAg_5tL4gY

If a Caucasian had made the above statements it would be all over the news.

What I continue to not understand is why you put so much stock in stereotypes.

So you call me racist on my opinions but totally ignore the direct recorded comments of others.

Edited August 6, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[smoke20 0]

Fair do's - but personally speaking, I wouldn't defend this guy without reading what he's been writing over the last 18-odd pages...

yeah you guys do. the highly opinionated like-minded people in this forum do it all the time.; without naming anyone.. couch cough xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

BINGO!! i've also noticed, its common to politely rail a "newbie" if some don't agree w/ them.

Edited August 6, 2007 by smoke20

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What about poor Caucasians? Why is it they are not incarcerated the same? Considering there are more poor Caucasians in America. There is a clear correlation between poverty and crime after all right?

Is the population of poor African Americans and poor Caucasian Americans the same?

No there are more poor Caucasian Americans. There are not many poor African Americans. There are lots of poor Black Americans but not African Americans.

45,000,000+ Americans live in 'poverty'. Roughly 8,750,000 Black Americans live in poverty. There is clearly no correlation between poverty and crime as the rate of poverty amongst Black Americans is not 5 times the national average; when compared to being imprisoned.

Which basically means 80% of Americans living in poverty are not Black

That's rather simplistic. You can't form that kind of analysis without any mention of distribution - where those people actually live.

[Mel_and_Daniel 1]

No there are more poor Caucasian Americans. There are not many poor African Americans. There are lots of poor Black Americans but not African Americans.

45,000,000+ Americans live in 'poverty'. Roughly 8,750,000 Black Americans live in poverty. There is clearly no correlation between poverty and crime as the rate of poverty amongst Black Americans is not 5 times the national average; when compared to being imprisoned.

Which basically means 80% of Americans living in poverty are not Black

What percentage of American inmates come from poor backgrounds?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Fair do's - but personally speaking, I wouldn't defend this guy without reading what he's been writing over the last 18-odd pages...

yeah you guys do. the highly opinionated like-minded people in this forum do it all the time.; without naming anyone.. couch cough xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

BINGO!! i've also noticed, its common to politely rail a "newbie" if some don't agree w/ them.

Noone's railing you - just asking that if you must 'pick sides' that you read the thread in question before weighing in on generalities which have nothing to do with the topic.

No there are more poor Caucasian Americans. There are not many poor African Americans. There are lots of poor Black Americans but not African Americans.

45,000,000+ Americans live in 'poverty'. Roughly 8,750,000 Black Americans live in poverty. There is clearly no correlation between poverty and crime as the rate of poverty amongst Black Americans is not 5 times the national average; when compared to being imprisoned.

Which basically means 80% of Americans living in poverty are not Black

What percentage of American inmates come from poor backgrounds?

Good question. I'm guessing the jails are not full of white collar criminals...

[Heracles 417]

No there are more poor Caucasian Americans. There are not many poor African Americans. There are lots of poor Black Americans but not African Americans.

45,000,000+ Americans live in 'poverty'. Roughly 8,750,000 Black Americans live in poverty. There is clearly no correlation between poverty and crime as the rate of poverty amongst Black Americans is not 5 times the national average; when compared to being imprisoned.

Which basically means 80% of Americans living in poverty are not Black

What percentage of American inmates come from poor backgrounds?

Lets break it down another way.

Lets say we had 80 poor Caucasians and 20 similarly poor black Americans; Which reflects the statistics. Basically for every one Caucasian jailed 5 black Americans are jailed. Therefore if 2 out of the 80 Caucasians living in poverty where jailed; 10 out of the 20 similarly poor black Americans would also be jailed.

Edited August 6, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

"White folks 'been grindin' on an ax ... and that ax ain't got sharp enough for them," said Earnest Hardy Sr., who called the case a witch hunt targeting a successful black man.

Would the guy who made the above comment not judge me based on me having dark blond hair, green eyes and being Caucasian. But hey as the status quo a white man mentioning the word black is automatically assumed as being racist whereas black person can pretty much say anything under the sun with absolutely any repercussions.

People like JamalNTam basically accuse me of being racist but are all quite on the western from with stuff like the following:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/456363/khall..._the_white_man/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHAg_5tL4gY

If a Caucasian had made the above statements it would be all over the news.

What I continue to not understand is why you put so much stock in stereotypes.

So you call me racist on my opinions but totally ignore the direct recorded comments of others.

I merely find it bizarre that you keep dealing in stereotypes and don't seem to see how it could be offensive.

[smoke20 0]

Fair do's - but personally speaking, I wouldn't defend this guy without reading what he's been writing over the last 18-odd pages...

yeah you guys do. the highly opinionated like-minded people in this forum do it all the time.; without naming anyone.. couch cough xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

BINGO!! i've also noticed, its common to politely rail a "newbie" if some don't agree w/ them.

Noone's railing you - just asking that if you must 'pick sides' that you read the thread in question before weighing in on generalities which have nothing to do with the topic.

not 'picking sides' just agreeing w/ that 1 statement & making another.

oh hell, number 6.. how many threads actually stay on topic very long anyway. maybe, if i keep it up. they'll close this thread before pepole start getting too pizzed @ each other.

lighten up a little.

[Heracles 417]

So you call me racist on my opinions but totally ignore the direct recorded comments of others.

I merely find it bizarre that you keep dealing in stereotypes and don't seem to see how it could be offensive.

What a world hey. So basically it is okay, and the norm, for someone black to propose the "death of the white man" yet stereotypical racism for someone Caucasian to identify and point out these direct comments.

I show facts and stats I am racist. I quote comments from others; once again 'I' am racist.

Edited August 6, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

No there are more poor Caucasian Americans. There are not many poor African Americans. There are lots of poor Black Americans but not African Americans.

45,000,000+ Americans live in 'poverty'. Roughly 8,750,000 Black Americans live in poverty. There is clearly no correlation between poverty and crime as the rate of poverty amongst Black Americans is not 5 times the national average; when compared to being imprisoned.

Which basically means 80% of Americans living in poverty are not Black

What percentage of American inmates come from poor backgrounds?

Lets break it down another way.

Lets say we had 80 poor Caucasians and 20 similarly poor black Americans; Which reflects the statistics. Basically for every one Caucasian jailed 5 black Americans are jailed. Therefore if 2 out of the 80 Caucasians living in poverty where jailed; 10 out of the 20 similarly poor black Americans would also be jailed.

Several Vjers work in the prison system. I think their take on this issue would be rather more interesting than a hypothetical "statistical" analysis.