Blacks in U.S. imprisoned at 5 times the rate of whites

[Heracles 417]

Ask the Native Americans.

More to the point - ask the Australian Aborigines.

I was having a look at the welfare / aid provided to students to study. Daaaam I forgot how good we had it there. This aid does not have to be paid back.

The Abstudy section is what benefits aboriginal Australians receive to study. You cannot tell me Australia is not doing things to help these people get out of poverty.

Edited July 20, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

No we don't. But as pointed out earlier - it would be a mistake to suggest that the US (even today) isn't still dealing with the fallout from slavery.

Maybe we should just go back to the begining of time and PAY them off with cold hard cash? that should rectify all mistakes. Cash is KING these days. Im a FRICKIN VICTIM NOW PAY ME. I am sure my family was victimized at some point! cup a la million otta take care of it. Gimmmme gimmmmmeeee! Get off the tittie and get on with life! bandaids are cheap if ya need em!

Edited July 20, 2007 by CarolsMarc

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Ask the Native Americans.

More to the point - ask the Australian Aborigines.

I was having a look at the welfare / aid provided to students to study. Daaaam I forgot how good we had it there. This aid does not have to be paid back.

The Abstudy section is what benefits aboriginal Australians receive to study. You cannot tell me Australia is not doing things to help these people get out of poverty.

Sounds like its working a treat.

Here's an interesting statistic in a relation to the OP post.

The over-representation of Indigenous Australians in prisons was drawn to public attention by the 1987–1991 Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody. One of the main findings of the Royal Commission was that the high number of deaths of Aboriginal people in prisons was a result of the high rate of imprisonment of Aboriginal Australians rather than different treatment for Aboriginal prisoners.

Indigenous Australians continue to be over represented in our prisons and make up a high proportion of deaths in custody. In 2003, 20% of prisoners in Australia (4,818 prisoners) identified as Indigenous (endnote 2), and 10 of the 39 deaths that occurred in prison custody (26%) were Indigenous prisoners. (endnote 3)

At June 2004, there were 5,048 Indigenous persons in prisons across Australia (21% of all prisoners) (endnote 2). After taking into account the age differences between the Indigenous and non-Indigenous populations in 2004, Indigenous persons were 11 times more likely to be in prison compared with non-Indigenous persons.

[Nikita2Charles 32]

FOr people makeing those kind of quote, one should read about the African Continent, You mean to say the colonization of the african continent, they the whites meaning English, French, Portuguese and so on was a FAVOR OR A BLESSINGS to Blacks.

Maybe ask your ancestors about how they looted the countries, forced labor, and created a system of Division in those countries for centuries to make sure they are always in Power and control. YES you are right, if most african countries acted like the Haitians did back in 1804 to fight Fight off the OPRESSOR TO DEATH< AND THEIR MOTO

LIVE FREE OR DIE!

One can not rewrite history, but ALL THOSE WEALTH that was looted out of the african continent, WOuld have been there to Self sustain the people.

Just curious?

If slavery didn't exsist where would they be now? Dying of AIDs and malnutrition in Africa?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Didn't they used to justify it as "civilizing the savages"?

[Heracles 417]

Didn't they used to justify it as "civilizing the savages"?

I really like how it is everybody else's fault. So you admit they where savages..

Interesting to see in DC today 11 people where shot in 30 minutes.. Maybe you should check out the background of those people.

Edited July 20, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Didn't they used to justify it as "civilizing the savages"?

I really like how it is everybody else's fault. So you admit they where savages..

I admit that this was used as a justification for colonialism. "Civilising" was a euphemism for exploiting, in much the same way that the romans used to justify mass murder as "Pacification".

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Interesting to see in DC today 11 people where shot in 30 minutes.. Maybe you should check out the background of those people.

What's your point? Still no closer to explaining causality?

There seems to be a general trend with regards to formerly oppressed or marginalised peoples and their social/economic situation today.

[Heracles 417]

Interesting to see in DC today 11 people where shot in 30 minutes.. Maybe you should check out the background of those people.

What's your point? Still no closer to explaining causality?

There seems to be a general trend with regards to formerly oppressed or marginalised peoples and their social/economic situation today.

How is a kid born post 1975 oppressed and marginalized?

Most of the mayors of the most dangerous 14 cities in the US are run by black Americans. So how are they 'marginalized..

Why should I be subjected to violence and hate because I am white? Isn't it racist to assume all white people's relatives where slave owners therefore someone like myself, a new immigrant to this country, should be punished and blamed for; based solely on the color of my skin. Should all Germans, Japanese and Italians be punished to this day for WWII?

They where not forced to stay here after slavery ended. Which means they have had over 120+ years to either move on or go elsewhere. And many black Americans have moved on.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Interesting to see in DC today 11 people where shot in 30 minutes.. Maybe you should check out the background of those people.

What's your point? Still no closer to explaining causality?

There seems to be a general trend with regards to formerly oppressed or marginalised peoples and their social/economic situation today.

How is a kid born post 1975 oppressed and marginalized?

Most of the mayors of the most dangerous 14 cities in the US are run by black Americans. So how are they 'marginalized..

Why should I be subjected to violence and hate because I am white? Isn't it racist to assume all white people's relatives where slave owners therefore someone like myself, a new immigrant to this country, should be punished and blamed for; based solely on the color of my skin. Should all Germans, Japanese and Italians be punished to this day for WWII?

They where not forced to stay here after slavery ended. Which means they have had over 120+ years to either move on or go elsewhere. And many black Americans have moved on.

I said 'formerly marginalised'. I'm talking about a historical legacy from decades (even centuries ago) contributing to social inequalities today. Once again - you need only look outside the US at any country where part of the population (indigenous or imported) was subjected to slavery (or similar treatment) on a wide scale and you see much the same thing - whether it be in the USA, Australia or New Zealand.

Unless you don't want to recognise that those countries have significant social inequalities with regards to their indigenous or minority populations.

[Heracles 417]

I noticed on the news today that a teenage from Guatemala was killed in a random drive-by.

Number_6, How about you call up his parents in Guatemala and tell them that the "drive-by" shooting was justified because the shooters are apparently poor and angry about segregation and slavery...

Edited July 24, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I noticed on the news today that a teenage from Guatemala was killed in a random drive-by.

Number_6, How about you call up his parents in Guatemala and tell them that the "drive-by" shooting was justified because the shooters are apparently poor and angry about segregation and slavery...

How about you read what I wrote and point out anywhere in this thread where I excuse (any) crime because of the socio-economic background of the perpetrators?

Its not rocket science to draw parallels between poverty and crime. They have always been related IMO. If anything this just shows that its a national problem - and that no one area yet has a handle on combatting the root cause.

Combating poverty and illiteracy is a worthy cause, but at the same time, it doesn't mean that

we shouldn't be locking up African American criminals just because they exceed some ratio.

Of course not. Crime is crime after all.

How about you address the correlation in socioeconomic situation between urban blacks, hispanics and native americans in the US, and equivalent people in the likes of South Africa, Australia and New Zealand?

[desert_fox 32]

They lock up the ppl who commit the crimes. If, after the fact, and tabulating the data, indicates that some particular race group is skewed in some manner....so be it!! Just shows you where some kind of social program should be directed.

[Heracles 417]

How about you address the correlation in socioeconomic situation between urban blacks, hispanics and native americans in the US, and equivalent people in the likes of South Africa, Australia and New Zealand?

My family was poor. My family migrated to another nation, on a ship for 30 days, with only the clothes on their back. They had no access to free education, student aid EBT etc.. Why was it we never gang banged or turned cities into hoods or did drive-bys?? Instead my siblings and cousins are doctors, scientists and engineers. My uncles who are well into their 60's still work blue collar jobs.

Being from a Southern European background we where subjected to racism and constantly harassed, known as Wogs..

Edited July 24, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

They lock up the ppl who commit the crimes. If, after the fact, and tabulating the data, indicates that some particular race group is skewed in some manner....so be it!! Just shows you where some kind of social program should be directed.

Makes sense.