California bans sales of new gasoline-powered vehicles by 2035 in milestone step

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I think my Brother pays about $12 per gallon now. I tend to wake up to the UK Radio Stations and they are having a melt down about increasing fuel costs and how lots of people will freeze to death this winter. Supply does not seem an issue unlike Germany etc.

 

Electric cars, well the Battery is obviously key, electric motors can no doubt be tweaked. I have seen mention of 1m mile batteries and that would be a lot more than a IC vehicle would normally last but who knows.

 

I think it was some Korean car where the guy was quoted more than the car cost to replace the battery. 

 

Perhaps at some point there will be standard battery packs, especially for cheaper vehicles, also standard operating systems, does not make sense for every Manufacturer to develop and update their one.

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7 hours ago, Boiler said:

I think my Brother pays about $12 per gallon now. I tend to wake up to the UK Radio Stations and they are having a melt down about increasing fuel costs and how lots of people will freeze to death this winter. Supply does not seem an issue unlike Germany etc.

 

Electric cars, well the Battery is obviously key, electric motors can no doubt be tweaked. I have seen mention of 1m mile batteries and that would be a lot more than a IC vehicle would normally last but who knows.

 

I think it was some Korean car where the guy was quoted more than the car cost to replace the battery. 

 

Perhaps at some point there will be standard battery packs, especially for cheaper vehicles, also standard operating systems, does not make sense for every Manufacturer to develop and update their one.

You might be thinking about this story about the used 2014 Ford Focus EV.  As I have said many times, EVs have a place, they have some performance advantages, and some performance disadvantages as compared to ICE vehicles.  We just got a new car for the wife, with her driving, an EV would have been practical, but to get a comparable vehicle with comparable features, we would have paid about $13k more than the ICE equivalent, so the payback would have been 10 plus years based on fuel savings (assuming we always charged at home) and routine maintenance such as oil changes, so it did not make financial sense.  The other thing that gets me is when an EV is classified as a zero emission vehicle, this is simply not true, but governments seem to have a different plan.

 

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/family-shocked-ford-focus-electric-battery-replacement-costing-more-than-car/

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8 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

Just remember... many of us won't qualify for that $7500 EV credit, which makes owning an EV much more expensive than an ICE any day of the week, even with our current high gas prices.  (I've seen figures of gas climbing to $12 per gallon is about the break-even point, but haven't had the energy to verify).

Meanwhile, when your EV gets to be about 10-12 years old, it WILL need a new battery, unlike an ICE which can likely still be driving 15/20/25 years later.  And even if it DOES need a new engine, that cost will be $3-5k.

But here's a Chevy Volt battery replacement:
 

Of course car companies seem to be raising their prices by the exact amount of any possible tax rebate.  Go figure.

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10 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

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Meanwhile, when your EV gets to be about 10-12 years old, it WILL need a new battery,

plenty of 2012 Tesla S cars on the road today with the original battery. 
 

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But here's a Chevy Volt battery replacement:
 

$27K for an 18 kWh battery is crazy.  It’s pretty clear GM has no interest in replacing these.  It doesn’t seem like a good idea to buy an EV from GM.   
 

At that rate my car’s 75 kWh battery would cost 75/18 * 27,000 = $112,500

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2 hours ago, Mike E said:

plenty of 2012 Tesla S cars on the road today with the original battery. 
 

$27K for an 18 kWh battery is crazy.  It’s pretty clear GM has no interest in replacing these.  It doesn’t seem like a good idea to buy an EV from GM.   
 

At that rate my car’s 75 kWh battery would cost 75/18 * 27,000 = $112,500

I just posted that pic to see what the smart folks here thought about it.  I found it hard to believe because I have yet to see ANY EV battery costing more than $10-12k to buy, and the Volt has to be one of the smaller masses out there, I'm guessing. Also suspicious on the invoice it the lack of a labor breakdown, as well as no address and phone # for the dealer.  I suspect it is a product of someone with some gooder Photoshop Skillz.

Meanwhile, my research turned up the following:

That VIN is for a 2012 Chevrolet Volt. The MSRP for a replacement hybrid battery for is $9,100 and the part number is 20979876 - not 24043694.

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Meanwhile, I believe this video has a lot of facts in it about EVs and the damage done to the environment to manufacture them, something we have talked about here before:
 

 

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18 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

I just posted that pic to see what the smart folks here thought about it.  I found it hard to believe because I have yet to see ANY EV battery costing more than $10-12k to buy, and the Volt has to be one of the smaller masses out there, I'm guessing. Also suspicious on the invoice it the lack of a labor breakdown, as well as no address and phone # for the dealer.  I suspect it is a product of someone with some gooder Photoshop Skillz.

Meanwhile, my research turned up the following:

That VIN is for a 2012 Chevrolet Volt. The MSRP for a replacement hybrid battery for is $9,100 and the part number is 20979876 - not 24043694.

 

My own research  has says a volt battery replacement averages $19,000. The quote you posted is an outlier but not that much of one. 

 

https://chevyguide.com/chevy-volt-battery-replacement-cost/

 

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In short, the average cost to replace a Chevrolet volt battery is $19200 this ranges from $3400- 35000 getting a new one costs a lot more than getting a repurposed one.

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That’s simply ridiculous 

 

Personally I’ve thoroughly enjoyed and continue to enjoy my 2017 Tesla S. If the battery dies after the 8 / 100,000 mile warranty dies so be it.  It was a toy I could afford and I’ve no regrets. I bought it when Tesla’s survival as a company was very much up in the air and I went into it thinking that 2 years later I might end up with abandonware. 

 

I suspect most Volt owners feel the same way about their purchases. 
 

But your point is taken and this grand experiment with EVs might end if manufacturers don’t do something about the battery situation. There is a lot of hopium being smoked and sold by the Democrat party, especially since the Party hates Tesla.
 

An EV from any manufacturer but Tesla is worse that a toy: it’s a joke.  
 

And an EV from the big 3s of the USA, Japan, or Germany is a hysterical joke.  Those 9 manufacturers are clueless about EVs.  
 

I’m ok with going back to a gasoline powered car if necessary. But if the stock market recovers before I can no longer drive I might continue to buy these toys.   

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Mike E said:

 

My own research  has says a volt battery replacement averages $19,000. The quote you posted is an outlier but not that much of one. 

 

https://chevyguide.com/chevy-volt-battery-replacement-cost/

 

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In short, the average cost to replace a Chevrolet volt battery is $19200 this ranges from $3400- 35000 getting a new one costs a lot more than getting a repurposed one.

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That’s simply ridiculous 

 

Personally I’ve thoroughly enjoyed and continue to enjoy my 2017 Tesla S. If the battery dies after the 8 / 100,000 mile warranty dies so be it.  It was a toy I could afford and I’ve no regrets. I bought it when Tesla’s survival as a company was very much up in the air and I went into it thinking that 2 years later I might end up with abandonware. 

 

I suspect most Volt owners feel the same way about their purchases. 
 

But your point is taken and this grand experiment with EVs might end if manufacturers don’t do something about the battery situation. There is a lot of hopium being smoked and sold by the Democrat party, especially since the Party hates Tesla.
 

An EV from any manufacturer but Tesla is worse that a toy: it’s a joke.  
 

And an EV from the big 3s of the USA, Japan, or Germany is a hysterical joke.  Those 9 manufacturers are clueless about EVs.  
 

I’m ok with going back to a gasoline powered car if necessary. But if the stock market recovers before I can no longer drive I might continue to buy these toys.   

 

 

 

 

Up to $35k for a replacement battery?  That's ridiculous.

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51 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

Up to $35k for a replacement battery?  That's ridiculous.

An accurate adjective.
 

Given that then plandemic purposely ruined the supply chain and reduced competition, the equally true adjective is:

 

     expected.  

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Normal Tesla battery pack is circa 10k

 

i can see specialists setting up to replace battery packs I know they are out there for Prius

 

In 10 years you may be able to get a much better pack for less money 

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4 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Normal Tesla battery pack is circa 10k

 

i can see specialists setting up to replace battery packs I know they are out there for Prius

 

In 10 years you may be able to get a much better pack for less money 

The extreme left aka governing wing of the Democrat party doesn’t even want you to have a car.

 

I don’t see why batteries would get cheaper unless voting patterns change.  

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13 minutes ago, Mike E said:

The extreme left aka governing wing of the Democrat party doesn’t even want you to have a car.

 

I don’t see why batteries would get cheaper unless voting patterns change.  

Lotta truth might be hidden between your lines!

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11 hours ago, Mike E said:

plenty of 2012 Tesla S cars on the road today with the original battery. 
 

$27K for an 18 kWh battery is crazy.  It’s pretty clear GM has no interest in replacing these.  It doesn’t seem like a good idea to buy an EV from GM.   
 

At that rate my car’s 75 kWh battery would cost 75/18 * 27,000 = $112,500

I will start by saying the California mandate is insane and will never hold up. EV and hybrids have a place and are great vehicles but not for everyone.  Emergency first responder vehicles for example. Also most are covered by warranty for at least 8 years 100k. Toyota is 10 years 150k. 

 

Lot of misinformation out there

 

Only about 18% of USA electricity is generated by coal.. The here comes another load of EV fuel with pictures of coal trucks is misleading. 

 

I have also seen posts claiming cost of charging EV are more than gas. That is fake news also. It varies a lot but 8  to 15 bucks for a full charge is a good estimate. 

 

That volt 26k bill was circulated on some of my sales FB group. It's not real. A voltage battery according to the Chevy techs is 6 to 8k.

  Replacing a Toyota hybrid battery can range from as low as 1300. With a 10 year 150k warranty. 

 

Cost of ownership for our hybrids are lower than ICE vehicles even though you pay a little more upfront. About 1500 to 2k on most models.. That is why you see so many hybrids in major cities being used as Taxi's.  I see hybrids with 150+ miles on a frequent basis with original batteries.