K-1 as a female in Saudi Arabia

[StrangerMe 1]

Hello!

first of all, I am sorry if my question is stupid but I have looked around and haven’t found much details. My fiancé is in the US and I plan to get married to him after we apply for a K-1. We have yet to do anything but I have a question!

since you need the women’s guardian to approve of a marriage in Saudi Arabia, does that also apply for applying for a K-1 (in Riyadh)? Would I need a guardian’s approval of the marriage?

Thank you

[Chancy 6,241]

6 minutes ago, StrangerMe said:

since you need the women’s guardian to approve of a marriage in Saudi Arabia, does that also apply for applying for a K-1 (in Riyadh)?

 

Pursuing K1 visa means you agree to getting married in the US, not in Saudi Arabia.  In general, adults applying for a marriage license in the US do not require parents'/guardians' approval.

 

[JeanneAdil 6,498]

but the embassy will follow the norms for the Saudi culture

so,  if you are muslim,  he needs to be muslim also

that's the cultural norm for Islam that muslim woman marries muslim man

[JeanneAdil 6,498]

16 minutes ago, JeanneAdil said:

but the embassy will follow the norms for the Saudi culture

so,  if you are muslim,  he needs to be muslim also

that's the cultural norm for Islam that muslim woman marries muslim man

embassies always follow the norm for the cultures / i would ask in an inquiry

 

 riyadhiv@state.gov

[Mike E 11,739]

31 minutes ago, JeanneAdil said:

but the embassy will follow the norms for the Saudi culture

so,  if you are muslim,  he needs to be muslim also

that's the cultural norm for Islam that muslim woman marries muslim man

That can’t be constitutional.  I’m surprised the courts haven’t over turned this.  

[arken 4,197]

58 minutes ago, JeanneAdil said:

but the embassy will follow the norms for the Saudi culture

so,  if you are muslim,  he needs to be muslim also

that's the cultural norm for Islam that muslim woman marries muslim man

Not sure about it. Any marriage in the SA, the embassy may want to see it's done per the country's law/policy for marriage based immigration. For the marriage that will happen in the US, i doubt the embassy will follow the country's policy. Whether SA restricts its citizens from leaving the country to marry someone out of their norm/culture is of course a different story and not in the US embassy's control.

Edited July 27, 2022 by arken

[Boiler 45,482]

K1 is a horrible choice better to marry and CR1

[EatBulaga 315]

1 hour ago, StrangerMe said:

Hello!

first of all, I am sorry if my question is stupid but I have looked around and haven’t found much details. My fiancé is in the US and I plan to get married to him after we apply for a K-1. We have yet to do anything but I have a question!

since you need the women’s guardian to approve of a marriage in Saudi Arabia, does that also apply for applying for a K-1 (in Riyadh)? Would I need a guardian’s approval of the marriage?

Thank you

If you are underage for marriage, you may need guardian's approval?

 

In Saudi Arabia, you need to be 18+.

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1613691

In the US, the age of consent without parent approval varies by state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_age_in_the_United_States

 

[Family 3,988]

1 hour ago, Mike E said:

1 hour ago, JeanneAdil said:

but the embassy will follow the norms for the Saudi culture

so,  if you are muslim,  he needs to be muslim also

that's the cultural norm for Islam that muslim woman marries muslim man

That can’t be constitutional.  I’m surprised the courts haven’t over turned this.  

The cultural norms would apply to marriages take take place in the country …US Embassies will accept even same sex marriages in Saudi or any other country where such are banned.

 

So for a K-1 , no marriage contract is involved, therefore nothing out of the ordinary is imposed on the Fiancé. 
Easy read , though a bit dated from 2015

 

https://sa.usembassy.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/60/2016/06/K-1-Packet.pdf

[Family 3,988]

1 hour ago, arken said:

Whether SA restricts its citizens from leaving the country to marry someone out of their norm/culture is of course a different story and not in the US embassy's control.

That is worthy of pointing out. 
OP , are you free to travel in SA now?

Have you traveled internationally without a guardian? 

Are in any danger if your Guardian finds out about your K-1 and intent to marry the American? 
 

[arken 4,197]

3 hours ago, EatBulaga said:

If you are underage for marriage, you may need guardian's approval?

In SA, all women will have a male guardian (father, brother, husband, sibling, or even an adult son) whose approval will be required for lots of things they do including marriage and such. OP is talking about approval of such guardianship.

[Crazy Cat 41,844]

5 hours ago, JeanneAdil said:

embassies always follow the norm for the cultures / i would ask in an inquiry

 

 riyadhiv@state.gov

Same sex K-1s are processed by US consulates in countries where it is banned, are they not? 

Edited July 28, 2022 by Crazy Cat

[rocky95 53]

2 hours ago, Crazy Cat said:

Same sex K-1s are processed by US consulates in countries where it is banned, are they not? 

I think from a K-1 perspective it would just make it harder to get approved and prove a bona fide relationship especially in muslim countries where it can be harder to get a K1 visa (because the cultural norm is to get married before going to live with someone). 

 

Nothing can legally stop them from granting it because it is the US. But also the embassies are aware about what is culturally appropriate and so I can totally see them being extra suspicious and even asking more questions about it in the interview. In addition, I've see  K1 applicants receive RFEs requesting affidavit of support from family....so it might turn into a situation like that?? So do you need a guardian to apply, probably  not? But may it raise suspicion, possibly so? 

 

I am really interested in the answer to this, so if you do get further information let us know! Sending positive vibes and best wishes! 

Edited July 28, 2022 by rocky95

[Mike E 11,739]

I’d love to see an embassy deny a K-1 institution t for the specific reason that the petitioner isn’t a Muslim. Will be a quick case, open and shut case in federal court. 

[Family 3,988]

21 minutes ago, Mike E said:

 

I’d love to see an embassy deny a K-1 institution t for the specific reason that the petitioner isn’t a Muslim. Will be a quick case, open and shut case in federal court

 

They don’t really kiss and tell now, do they? Besides we can’t even deny “ kissing cousins “, so to speak.