'It’s really scary': Homeless camps cause unrest in a Southeast Portland neighborhood

[TBoneTX 45,572]

'It’s really scary': Homeless camps cause unrest in a Southeast Portland neighborhood

 

PORTLAND, Ore. — Tents, broken-down cars, piles of garbage and RVs line the streets off Southeast 80th and Powell.  It's a residential neighborhood turned nightmare for families who live there.  [...]

 

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/homeless/neighbors-homeless-cry-help-southeast-portland-neighborhood/283-76e1a75b-8f80-461f-88fb-9f439aba71ee

[Mike E 11,741]

7 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

'It’s really scary': Homeless camps cause unrest in a Southeast Portland neighborhood

 

PORTLAND, Ore. — Tents, broken-down cars, piles of garbage and RVs line the streets off Southeast 80th and Powell.  It's a residential neighborhood turned nightmare for families who live there.  [...]

 

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/homeless/neighbors-homeless-cry-help-southeast-portland-neighborhood/283-76e1a75b-8f80-461f-88fb-9f439aba71ee

I think we are on the cusp of a transition where  civilization in the USA moves from  between traditional urban settings to semi rural settings governed by HOAs that keep trespassers out. 
 

In my neighborhood in Silicon Valley we lived in a townhouse community. Despite being in an HOA, the presence of homeless was increasing and there were times we didn’t feel safe walking on the public streets outside HOA.  
 

We’ve since relocated  to unincorporated Pima county in Arizona.  The HOA owns the streets and the nearest homeless camp is 30 minutes away in Tucson. We deliberately bought a home that is not in a gated community because of the hassles involved in admitting visitors, but it is physically possible to gate the community if needed.  
 

Ultimately I see cities failing and collapsing across the country to be replaced by privately owned and operated unincorporated communities that legally do not have to tolerate trespassers.  Such communities will encompass residential, commercial, and industrial. 

[Boiler 45,718]

50 minutes ago, Mike E said:

I think we are on the cusp of a transition where  civilization in the USA moves from  between traditional urban settings to semi rural settings governed by HOAs that keep trespassers out. 
 

In my neighborhood in Silicon Valley we lived in a townhouse community. Despite being in an HOA, the presence of homeless was increasing and there were times we didn’t feel safe walking on the public streets outside HOA.  
 

We’ve since relocated  to unincorporated Pima county in Arizona.  The HOA owns the streets and the nearest homeless camp is 30 minutes away in Tucson. We deliberately bought a home that is not in a gated community because of the hassles involved in admitting visitors, but it is physically possible to gate the community if needed.  
 

Ultimately I see cities failing and collapsing across the country to be replaced by privately owned and operated unincorporated communities that legally do not have to tolerate trespassers.  Such communities will encompass residential, commercial, and industrial. 

That is what Towns/Cities originally were.

 

Often they had a wall around them, gates that controlled access and a paid force to provide law and order.

[Mike E 11,741]

39 minutes ago, Boiler said:

That is what Towns/Cities originally were.

indeed.  

39 minutes ago, Boiler said:

 

Often they had a wall around them, gates that controlled access and a paid force to provide law and order.

Ten thousand years ago a city or town was controlled by either an absolute ruler or rarely, a democracy among a privileged minority.  So even if the majority of a town in ancient times was of the same mind set as that of a modern town, their opinions didn’t matter.  
 

Extending the voting franchise has directly led to the collapse of order in modern urban settings. 
 

The HOA model that currently keeps disorder and lawlessness at bay is as you allude, a restoration of the original purpose of towns and governance model.  

 

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

2 hours ago, Mike E said:

indeed.  

Ten thousand years ago a city or town was controlled by either an absolute ruler or rarely, a democracy among a privileged minority.  So even if the majority of a town in ancient times was of the same mind set as that of a modern town, their opinions didn’t matter.  
 

Extending the voting franchise has directly led to the collapse of order in modern urban settings. 
 

The HOA model that currently keeps disorder and lawlessness at bay is as you allude, a restoration of the original purpose of towns and governance model.  

 

HOAs, for the most part, suck and while their intent may be good at first, they tend to limit the people within as much as "protect" them.

[Neonred 3,576]

4 hours ago, Mike E said:

I think we are on the cusp of a transition where  civilization in the USA moves from  between traditional urban settings to semi rural settings governed by HOAs that keep trespassers out. 
 

In my neighborhood in Silicon Valley we lived in a townhouse community. Despite being in an HOA, the presence of homeless was increasing and there were times we didn’t feel safe walking on the public streets outside HOA.  
 

We’ve since relocated  to unincorporated Pima county in Arizona.  The HOA owns the streets and the nearest homeless camp is 30 minutes away in Tucson. We deliberately bought a home that is not in a gated community because of the hassles involved in admitting visitors, but it is physically possible to gate the community if needed.  
 

Ultimately I see cities failing and collapsing across the country to be replaced by privately owned and operated unincorporated communities that legally do not have to tolerate trespassers.  Such communities will encompass residential, commercial, and industrial. 

Seems to be a predominantly western US problem. or perhaps a liberal state problem.

 

My son lived in Portland for the last 5 years, but knew it was time to leave.  Too many homeless and drug addicts on the street and ending up in the ER where he was working.  He came back here to SW Florida as we do not have that problem here.

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

3 hours ago, Neonred said:

Seems to be a predominantly western US problem. or perhaps a liberal state problem.

 

My son lived in Portland for the last 5 years, but knew it was time to leave.  Too many homeless and drug addicts on the street and ending up in the ER where he was working.  He came back here to SW Florida as we do not have that problem here.

With all the people moving from blue states... how long do you think that will last?

[TBoneTX 45,572]

28 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

how long do you think that will last?

As long as they can monitor Greyhound buses and keep the Bidementia night-flights of illegals going to New York instead.

[Neonred 3,576]

57 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

With all the people moving from blue states... how long do you think that will last?

A common complaint from the long timers here, like myself, is that we are becoming just like Ft. Lauderdale.

 

Talked to several patients lately that are leaving the area and relocating to Alabama.

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

4 hours ago, Neonred said:

A common complaint from the long timers here, like myself, is that we are becoming just like Ft. Lauderdale.

 

Talked to several patients lately that are leaving the area and relocating to Alabama.

Cannot say that I blame them.  The Keys have changed quite a bit the past several years, too.

[Mike E 11,741]

8 hours ago, Neonred said:

Seems to be a predominantly western US problem. or perhaps a liberal state problem. .

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/concerns-flare-about-vancouver-tent-city-scaring-away-tourism-from-local-businesses
 

[Dashinka 24,632]

On 7/24/2022 at 9:58 AM, Mike E said:

I think we are on the cusp of a transition where  civilization in the USA moves from  between traditional urban settings to semi rural settings governed by HOAs that keep trespassers out. 
 

In my neighborhood in Silicon Valley we lived in a townhouse community. Despite being in an HOA, the presence of homeless was increasing and there were times we didn’t feel safe walking on the public streets outside HOA.  
 

We’ve since relocated  to unincorporated Pima county in Arizona.  The HOA owns the streets and the nearest homeless camp is 30 minutes away in Tucson. We deliberately bought a home that is not in a gated community because of the hassles involved in admitting visitors, but it is physically possible to gate the community if needed.  
 

Ultimately I see cities failing and collapsing across the country to be replaced by privately owned and operated unincorporated communities that legally do not have to tolerate trespassers.  Such communities will encompass residential, commercial, and industrial. 

I could see the movement away from traditional cities for a lot of reasons.  I expect the potential for rapid spread of communicable diseases would also be a reason.  

[TBoneTX 45,572]

Oh, but their goal is to get everyone on mass transportation to Save The Environment.

[Dashinka 24,632]

8 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Oh, but their goal is to get everyone on mass transportation to Save The Environment.

Except the most versatile system will be ignored, buses.  But no worries, the Dems seem as enamored by trains as Sheldon Cooper.  

[Mike E 11,741]

On 7/24/2022 at 11:45 AM, LIBrty4all said:

HOAs, for the most part, suck and while their intent may be good at first, they tend to limit the people within as much as "protect" them.

The private sector often addresses problems better than the government.  It is difficult to replace incumbents on the HOA board. Thus if you are shopping a home in neighborhood free these Obamavilles, you can be confident the HOA’s territory will continue to be so. 
 

Or you can select the freedom of choice outside an HOA, a freedom that includes homeless parking their RVs from the set of Breaking Bad and tents on the street in front of you and your neighbors parking their cars on the front lawn.