Gender activists push to bar anthropologists from identifying human remains as ‘male’ or ‘female’

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Doubling down I guess.

 

Gender activists push to bar anthropologists from identifying human remains as ‘male’ or ‘female’

 

 

As soon as ancient human remains are excavated, archaeologists begin the work of determining a number of traits about the individual, including age, race and gender.

 

But a new school of thought within archaeology is pushing scientists to think twice about assigning gender to ancient human remains.

 

It is possible to determine whether a skeleton is from a biological male or female using objective observations based on the size and shape of the bones. Criminal forensic detectives, for example, do it frequently in their line of work.

 

But gender activists argue scientists cannot know how an ancient individual identified themselves.

 

https://www.thecollegefix.com/gender-activists-push-to-bar-anthropologists-from-identifying-human-remains-as-male-or-female/

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I always wondered how you could tell from a skeleton which pronouns they used.

 

Or the pronouns available in the language they spoke.

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It gets even better.  Interesting they don’t really cover how they decide if someone is possibly transgendered from their bones other than from guessing.

 

“We propose a gender-expansive approach to human identification by combing missing and unidentified databases looking for contextual clues such as decedents wearing clothing culturally coded to a gender other than their assigned sex,” the group’s mission statement reads.

 

“We maintain our own database of missing and unidentified people who we have determined may be Transgender or gender-variant, as most current database systems do not permit comparison of missing to unidentified across different binary sex categories,” the group writes.

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Perhaps they can tell which ones have had Gender Affirming Care?

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Okay I have literally no issue with trans people whatsoever, but this is dumb. Assigning a biological sex to anthropological remains has zero implications for trans people. I'd wager that 99% of trans and non-binary people think this is stupid as well. 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, beloved_dingo said:

Okay I have literally no issue with trans people whatsoever, but this is dumb. Assigning a biological sex to anthropological remains has zero implications for trans people. I'd wager that 99% of trans and non-binary people think this is stupid as well. 

 

 

 

 

But it is the 1% that are activists along with those that are not trans, but also are doing this for altruistic reasons that are the loudest.

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1 minute ago, Dashinka said:

But it is the 1% that are activists along with those that are not trans, but also are doing this for altruistic reasons that are the loudest.

The loud 1% should be ignored in pretty much every issue. They only muddy the waters of causes, beliefs, etc. that may otherwise be legitimate.

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14 minutes ago, beloved_dingo said:

The loud 1% should be ignored in pretty much every issue. They only muddy the waters of causes, beliefs, etc. that may otherwise be legitimate.

You are right, and I wish people like that would be ignored.  

Unfortunately, they keep bitching and whining, and it can have real-world consequences for ordinary people who just want to live their lives.  Because those “activists’” loud (and obnoxious!) claims are so outrageous, other - more normal - people who might be in a same-sex relationship or trans or whatever will have to bear the brunt of everybody else’s reaction because society gets tired of this BS.  

For instance, these types of “activists” are the reason why my wife and I (a same-sex couple that owns several guns and has fiscally quite conservative views) are lumped in with the ultra-left, just because we are a same-sex couple.  I can’t count the times people said in disbelief when I advocated against single payer healthcare (wouldn’t work) or pro gun ownership (I love going to the range; it’s a hobby): but you’re married to another woman!  Yeah, and what does my marriage - or the gender of the person I am married to - have to do with my stance on fiscal or second amendment issues?  

 

Sorry, that might have gone a little out of hand, but I’m so tired of being lumped in with a group of people who think the hill to die on is whether or not we should say “menstruating people” or “uterus owners” instead of women… 

Edited July 19, 2022 by CMJuilland

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27 minutes ago, CMJuilland said:

You are right, and I wish people like that would be ignored.  

Unfortunately, they keep bitching and whining, and it can have real-world consequences for ordinary people who just want to live their lives.  Because those “activists’” loud (and obnoxious!) claims are so outrageous, other - more normal - people who might be in a same-sex relationship or trans or whatever will have to bear the brunt of everybody else’s reaction because society gets tired of this BS.  

For instance, these types of “activists” are the reason why my wife and I (a same-sex couple that owns several guns and has fiscally quite conservative views) are lumped in with the ultra-left, just because we are a same-sex couple.  I can’t count the times people said in disbelief when I advocated against single payer healthcare (wouldn’t work) or pro gun ownership (I love going to the range; it’s a hobby): but you’re married to another woman!  Yeah, and what does my marriage - or the gender of the person I am married to - have to do with my stance on fiscal or second amendment issues?  

 

Sorry, that might have gone a little out of hand, but I’m so tired of being lumped in with a group of people who think the hill to die on is whether or not we should say “menstruating people” or “uterus owners” instead of women… 

But you are also not ignoring it. Sure the people advocating for stupid things like this are a problem but the way people react to it is just as much as a problem. This will get shared far and wide (as it has already been done, here on VJ) so that people can continue to fuel their outrage with "the other side" and ignore the very real issues that people face, regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum (such as you and your partner). At the end of the day though, how anthropological remains are categorized in regards to sex or gender doesn't actually have any real world impact on you at all. So what is the point of giving headlines like this attention? Negative attention is still attention and feeds the trolls.

 

What will have actual impact on you is, for instance, if gay marriage gets put before SCOTUS and goes the way of "states' rights" like abortion.

 

Also, "the left" isn't in agreement about terms like "menstruating people" and similar terminology either. You can certainly find hardcore proponents of it, but to me it is just a misguided attempt at being inclusive and, once again, has no real world impact. We don't refer to men as testicle-havers when discussing prostate cancer, so it's really just a silly non-impactful form of "activism" that (from what I have personally seen) is also not really supported by most people who are actually trans and non-binary. And it adds to the "othering" than transwomen experience compared to transmen. 

 

It reminds me of "feminists" going crazy about sexualizing female characters in games and acting like it was some hot-button issue for women's rights. As a woman, I care about things that happen in the REAL WORLD that affect me negatively as a woman, not how Kojima decided to dress Quiet in Metal Gear. 

 

Anyway, I digress. I suppose the TL;DR is "Don't feed the trolls!" 

 

 

Edited July 19, 2022 by beloved_dingo

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1 hour ago, CMJuilland said:

You are right, and I wish people like that would be ignored.  

Unfortunately, they keep bitching and whining, and it can have real-world consequences for ordinary people who just want to live their lives.  Because those “activists’” loud (and obnoxious!) claims are so outrageous, other - more normal - people who might be in a same-sex relationship or trans or whatever will have to bear the brunt of everybody else’s reaction because society gets tired of this BS.  

For instance, these types of “activists” are the reason why my wife and I (a same-sex couple that owns several guns and has fiscally quite conservative views) are lumped in with the ultra-left, just because we are a same-sex couple.  I can’t count the times people said in disbelief when I advocated against single payer healthcare (wouldn’t work) or pro gun ownership (I love going to the range; it’s a hobby): but you’re married to another woman!  Yeah, and what does my marriage - or the gender of the person I am married to - have to do with my stance on fiscal or second amendment issues?  

 

Sorry, that might have gone a little out of hand, but I’m so tired of being lumped in with a group of people who think the hill to die on is whether or not we should say “menstruating people” or “uterus owners” instead of women… 

There is a big reason folks get stereotyped in certain categories and this has a lot to do with identity politics.  Unfortunately in our current political culture that has been becoming more and more polarized over the past 20 years or so, one is expected to think and act like the activists say they should according to the political identity they are grouped into.  It is amazing that these are the people that get listened too rather than the people that believe everyone has their own voice and believe what they believe, and most importantly just want to be left to live their lives.

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I assume most people are sympathetic to lesbians

 

They are women, an undefinable term

 

They maybe Trans Exclusive Radical Feminists which seems the bottom of the pile from a Progressive Activist perspective. Certainly I can think of 2 who lost their jobs in the UK for expressing such heresy.

 

And then of course there has been calling out of lesbians for refusing to have relationships with Trans Women

 

1% strikes me as being on the high side but they are noisy and seem to have been taken seriously by people who should know much much better.

 

 

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Have we discussed Anne Frank and white privilege?

 

https://www.annefrank.org/en/

 

Anybody else been, do not remember this being covered. by the exhibits

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10 hours ago, beloved_dingo said:

headlines like this

When I saw the opening post, I was fully expecting Babylon Bee credits.

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Wonderful commentary by the brilliant lady at American Thinker:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/07/the_arrant_nonsense_of_woke_anthropologists_stance_on_human_remains.html