K1 denied at interview now under supervisor review

[Cathi 5,755]

Carolyn, 
Did you bring a different fiance or spouse here 10-12 years ago? I know I recognize your name from long ago.

[Boiler 45,541]

1 minute ago, Cathi said:

Carolyn, 
Did you bring a different fiance or spouse here 10-12 years ago? I know I recognize your name from long ago.

It is her second time

[Cathi 5,755]

Just now, Boiler said:

It is her second time

That's what I thought. 
 

Carolyn, if you don't mind my asking: what happened to your first fiance/husband that you brought over? I'm not trying to be nosey but if this is the second time around,  your case will automatically get extra scrutiny. I totally agree with others that you need to marry and live together before even thinking about filing again. Pakistan is by far one of the most difficult consulates for people who are close in age and you two have a very large age gap with you being older. That very much goes against the cultural norm in Pakistan and you have an uphill battle based on that fact alone. I know other couples who applied through Pakistan where the wife was only 10-15 years older and they had to fight tooth and nail for years and years and years, getting denial after denial and that was back when there was much less scrutiny and  back when the process itself was much faster for everyone. I have two of those couples as Facebook friends. I myself am older than my husband so I know how the whole double standard thing works when it comes to women being older and immigration. I am not trying to discourage you, I am merely trying to warn you that this will not be easy, fast or inexpensive.

[Family 3,997]

I anticipate Fiancé will be pressing for a quick wedding, claiming they will not be allowed to “live in sin” , but it’s noteworthy that most sharia law marriages are neither registered nor disclosed to US consulates ( Muslims being allowed up to four wives )….

 

Family law has been called the heart of the Sharia and has been given “pride of place”¹⁶ in the Koran as “eighty percent of Koranic rulings [that] are devoted to regulating marital relations and the conduct of women.”¹⁷

 

 

[powerpuff 6,712]

5 minutes ago, Family said:

I anticipate Fiancé will be pressing for a quick wedding, claiming they will not be allowed to “live in sin” , but it’s noteworthy that most sharia law marriages are neither registered nor disclosed to US consulates ( Muslims being allowed up to four wives )….

 

Family law has been called the heart of the Sharia and has been given “pride of place”¹⁶ in the Koran as “eighty percent of Koranic rulings [that] are devoted to regulating marital relations and the conduct of women.”¹⁷

 

 

Fewer that 1% of Muslim men live with more than one spouse in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iran and Egypt so I don’t see how this is relevant.
 

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/12/07/polygamy-is-rare-around-the-world-and-mostly-confined-to-a-few-regions/

[Family 3,997]

8 minutes ago, powerpuff said:

16 minutes ago, Family said:

I anticipate Fiancé will be pressing for a quick wedding, claiming they will not be allowed to “live in sin” , but it’s noteworthy that most sharia law marriages are neither registered nor disclosed to US consulates ( Muslims being allowed up to four wives )….

 

Family law has been called the heart of the Sharia and has been given “pride of place”¹⁶ in the Koran as “eighty percent of Koranic rulings [that] are devoted to regulating marital relations and the conduct of women.”¹⁷

 

 

Fewer that 1% of Muslim men live with more than one spouse in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iran and Egypt so I don’t see how this is relevant.
 

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/12/07/polygamy-is-rare-around-the-world-and-mostly-confined-to-a-few-regions/

Relevant only in that Pakistan does not allow cohabitation… other “ conduct of women”  and that  Fiancé will be pressing for a quick wedding. 

[powerpuff 6,712]

1 minute ago, Family said:

Relevant only in that Pakistan does not allow cohabitation… other “ conduct of women”  and that  Fiancé will be pressing for a quick wedding. 

Don’t see an issue as getting married is typically the next step after a K1 denial 

[carolynhotstuff 252]

30 minutes ago, Cathi said:

That's what I thought. 
 

Carolyn, if you don't mind my asking: what happened to your first fiance/husband that you brought over? I'm not trying to be nosey but if this is the second time around,  your case will automatically get extra scrutiny. I totally agree with others that you need to marry and live together before even thinking about filing again. Pakistan is by far one of the most difficult consulates for people who are close in age and you two have a very large age gap with you being older. That very much goes against the cultural norm in Pakistan and you have an uphill battle based on that fact alone. I know other couples who applied through Pakistan where the wife was only 10-15 years older and they had to fight tooth and nail for years and years and years, getting denial after denial and that was back when there was much less scrutiny and  back when the process itself was much faster for everyone. I have two of those couples as Facebook friends. I myself am older than my husband so I know how the whole double standard thing works when it comes to women being older and immigration. I am not trying to discourage you, I am merely trying to warn you that this will not be easy, fast or inexpensive.

I was married to him for 10 years before getting divorced. My fiancé mentioned that at his interview and I addressed it in a letter I sent with my K1 package. 

[JeanneAdil 6,514]

a review will still be denied

 

.you can marry but a 38 year age difference is a biggy so i can send u a personal message to tell u exactly what i experienced if u need to know

 

i applied K1 after spending a month with him and family-Denied(2009)

went and married -2 months there March and April (2010)

back for Eid and month of November (2010)

3 more months June -August (2011)

and still CR1 was denied

another 3 months October -January 

I paid fee and appealed and won the appeal (over a year later)

but immigration court said, "marriage is bona fida and i could reapply"

so, if u are willing to go thru the 6 year or longer ordeal ,  go for it

 

1st i would talk to him and suggest u live in Pakistan and see how he reacts if he thinks he is not coming to the US

u could be surprised 

 

if he agrees to this ,  understand a letter to request the marriage goes to his home and parents will see and react.  How will they react????

 

in a country that expects the woman to bare children,  you're going against the norm and a spouse visa can also be denied as has been the case with "lovestoteach"  going thru over 6 year ordeal with pakistan spouse and 2 interviews and 2 denials

 

her case is slightly different because pakistan man was divorced which embassy did not believe 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 18, 2022 by JeanneAdil

[SalishSea 17,839]

5 hours ago, carolynhotstuff said:

We met the day I went to Pakistan for a 2 month visit with a friend. We spent almost every day together. After 6 months of talking online I went back to see him and stayed a month. We celebrate our 3rd year together in November. 
 

My sons are adults living on their own. I can easily move to Pakistan. I will accept the advice here and wait in Pakistan before filing a new petition. 

Honestly, I’ve never heard of an American woman going to Pakistan for a vacation……and then to meet a guy nearly 40 years younger the very same day….?!   Amazing.

 

OP,  what would happen if a GC was not part of the deal here?   Would he want to settle with you for a lifetime of marital bliss, in Pakistan?   What happens when he/his family wants children?   Would you adopt at your age?

 

I don’t mean to be intrusive here, but these are the very questions entertained by consular officers while conducting their evaluation of fraud risk, as required by law.

 

Such enormous age differences do not occur via low fraud consulates, so it does make one think…

[Boiler 45,541]

OP seems to be prepared to move to Pakistan for quite a few years.

[JeanneAdil 6,514]

9 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

Honestly, I’ve never heard of an American woman going to Pakistan for a vacation……and then to meet a guy nearly 40 years younger the very same day….?!   Amazing.

 

OP,  what would happen if a GC was not part of the deal here?   Would he want to settle with you for a lifetime of marital bliss, in Pakistan?   What happens when he/his family wants children?   Would you adopt at your age?  That's what i say /  24 year old wants what?

 

I don’t mean to be intrusive here, but these are the very questions entertained by consular officers while conducting their evaluation of fraud risk, as required by law.

 

Such enormous age differences do not occur via low fraud consulates, so it does make one think…may be normal for old man to marry young girl (Larry King marrying a woman 28 years younger comes to mind)  but it is against the norm for the other way around -even though i did it 

these green card seekers will say "age is just a number"  but its a lot more than this.   there are cultural differences,   likes and dislikes in music,  movies,  friends,  normal needs and wants 

i just lucked out with a good one 

[carolynhotstuff 252]

2 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

Honestly, I’ve never heard of an American woman going to Pakistan for a vacation……and then to meet a guy nearly 40 years younger the very same day….?!   Amazing.

 

OP,  what would happen if a GC was not part of the deal here?   Would he want to settle with you for a lifetime of marital bliss, in Pakistan?   What happens when he/his family wants children?   Would you adopt at your age?

 

I don’t mean to be intrusive here, but these are the very questions entertained by consular officers while conducting their evaluation of fraud risk, as required by law.

 

Such enormous age differences do not occur via low fraud consulates, so it does make one think…

I went to visit a friend I had known for 12 years and my fiancé came with him to the airport to receive me. Nothing sinister about that. Yes I would be willing to adopt an older child. 
 

He invited me to Pakistan to get married and live there or if I prefer Dubai or Qatar. He knows we may never get a visa to the USA but he still loves and wants me anyway. 

[JeanneAdil 6,514]

1 minute ago, Boiler said:

OP seems to be prepared to move to Pakistan for quite a few years.

But does her fiancee want this and will he be supportive of her emotionally for what will happen in Pakistan as we have seen on TV 

[Boiler 45,541]

Just now, JeanneAdil said:

But does her fiancee want this and will he be supportive of her emotionally for what will happen in Pakistan as we have seen on TV 

She has it seems spent considerable time there.