Akron march continues overnight in police shooting of Jayland Walker

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

 

Shooting someone 60 times is definitely a bad look. This one is going to be ugly. My problem is when they burn a town down and 5 people die in the process, then you have no moral high ground.

 

 

 

https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/local/2022/07/02/marchers-call-justice-police-shooting-jayland-walker-akron-stubbs-justice-center-downtown/7795313001/

[Mike E 11,739]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Jayland_Walker
 

“Officers alleged there was gunfire coming from the vehicle during the police chase, but the report did not specify how this was determined.”

If so it was a good  and inefficient shoot. 
 

Body cam footage coming this week. 

[Mike E 11,739]

Body cam and street cam footage out. 
 

APD don’t have dash cam. And the body cam doesn’t show the suspects vehicle as the body cams are

blocked by the steering wheel and dash board.  
 

APD claims there is a muzzle flash from the suspect’s driver side. I’m not seeing it. 
 

APD isn’t sending its best to its press conference. 
 

If  this all the evidence APD can produce, and I am on the jury, I am voting to convict on murder any officers that both claimed muzzle flash and then fired on Walker.  
 

The ones that didn’t see muzzle flash and trusted their colleagues I would acquit even if they fired. 
 

The ones who saw muzzle flash and did fire I would convict on a lesser charge. 

[arken 4,197]

Even if he was armed while running away, shooting him when he turns toward cops may be justified but 90 shots and 60 on target just proves the cops were shooting for fun rather than to save themselves or others.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

2 minutes ago, arken said:

Even if he was armed while running away, shooting him when he turns toward cops may be justified but 90 shots and 60 on target just proves the cops were shooting for fun rather than to save themselves or others.

You nailed it.  Prove he shot at cops at some point and he gets dropped with one or two shots, then I might side with the cops. 90 rounds fired with 60 hits. That's just cops being sadistic.  I am suprised if his body was not mutilated. 

[Mike E 11,739]

What does it matter if he was killed with one bullet or a 100? 8 officers firing with what are apparently semi automatic pistols emptied their weapons as per their training. It’s just math.  

 

Fortunately bad optics is not a thing in our legal system.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

1 hour ago, Mike E said:

What does it matter if he was killed with one bullet or a 100? 8 officers firing with what are apparently semi automatic pistols emptied their weapons as per their training. It’s just math.  

 

Fortunately bad optics is not a thing in our legal system.

I never heard of that part of police training where you reload and  continue to pump bullets into the lifeless body of an unarmed teenager .

[Mike E 11,739]

18 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I never heard of that part of police training where you reload and  continue to pump bullets into the lifeless body of an unarmed teenager .

You saw a different video than I did. 
 

per https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/local/2015/10/26/akron-buying-new-pistols-for/10724330007/ APD officers are issued 9mm Glocks. 
 

 I’m going to  guess APD officers carry these:

 

https://www.hyattgunstore.com/glock-19-gen4-9mm-pistol-law-enforcement-only.html

 

Capacity is 15 bullets.  
 

Why would they need to reload?

 

Did you watch a video?

 

Regardless, I’m not going send an officer to jail for shorting a corpse.  That’s ridiculous 

 

Edited July 4, 2022 by Mike E

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

3 hours ago, arken said:

Even if he was armed while running away, shooting him when he turns toward cops may be justified but 90 shots and 60 on target just proves the cops were shooting for fun rather than to save themselves or others.

Ever shoot at someone who is shooting back?  I suspect not.  I'd wager you've never even fired at a target.  Certainly not a moving one.

[arken 4,197]

9 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

Ever shoot at someone who is shooting back?  I suspect not.  I'd wager you've never even fired at a target.  Certainly not a moving one.

I've fired at those moving/flying skeets at skeet shooting range and i'm pretty good at getting almost 90% of them. Other than that you are  comparing apples vs oranges. I don't own a gun, not a cop, not trained in arms.

 

Uvalda shooter deserved 90 shots not this guy.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

20 minutes ago, arken said:

I've fired at those moving/flying skeets at skeet shooting range and i'm pretty good at getting almost 90% of them. Other than that you are  comparing apples vs oranges. I don't own a gun, not a cop, not trained in arms.

 

Uvalda shooter deserved 90 shots not this guy.

Thank you for your honesty.  Shooting skeet is a nice skill to have, but is about 0.0024375329% effective in an active shooter situation.  No offense, but YOUR orange has no place in talking about these apples.

Please hold your judgment for awhile.  Yes, the situation looks bad right now, but they often do. When the George Floyd shooting happened, and I watched the first video released, I was incensed.  But as more evidence and videos surfaced, I realized Chauvin did as he was trained to do..  And that has been backed up by more than one cop friend.

It's one thing to have an opinion, another to talk about how things "should have gone down"... but as a person who has shot little, and doesn't own a gun, this might be better left to the professionals.  And by that, I do NOT mean the MSM.  It will take weeks to know the real deal. 

For one thing, people are talking about 90 shots. Only 60 hits.  8 cops equates to roughly 120-128 potential rounds.  That they only fired 90 shows obvious restraint.  And 60/90 = 67% hit rate, which is pretty darn good in an active shooter situation.

ETA:  I agree about the Uvalde thug.  He should have been mowed down, only 45 minutes sooner.

Edited July 4, 2022 by LIBrty4all

[arken 4,197]

57 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

When the George Floyd shooting happened, and I watched the first video released, I was incensed.  But as more evidence and videos surfaced, I realized Chauvin did as he was trained to do..  And that has been backed up by more than one cop friend.

I'd say the opposite. As more evidences and videos came poured in, it got revealed he didn't abide by his training. A cop following his training doesn't get 22.5 yrs in state sentence and 20-25 years in federal sentence.

[TBoneTX 45,264]

Other threads deal with Chauvin.  

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

10 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

Thank you for your honesty.  Shooting skeet is a nice skill to have, but is about 0.0024375329% effective in an active shooter situation.  No offense, but YOUR orange has no place in talking about these apples.

Please hold your judgment for awhile.  Yes, the situation looks bad right now, but they often do. When the George Floyd shooting happened, and I watched the first video released, I was incensed.  But as more evidence and videos surfaced, I realized Chauvin did as he was trained to do..  And that has been backed up by more than one cop friend.

It's one thing to have an opinion, another to talk about how things "should have gone down"... but as a person who has shot little, and doesn't own a gun, this might be better left to the professionals.  And by that, I do NOT mean the MSM.  It will take weeks to know the real deal. 

For one thing, people are talking about 90 shots. Only 60 hits.  8 cops equates to roughly 120-128 potential rounds.  That they only fired 90 shows obvious restraint.  And 60/90 = 67% hit rate, which is pretty darn good in an active shooter situation.

ETA:  I agree about the Uvalde thug.  He should have been mowed down, only 45 minutes sooner.

Cops pumping 60 rounds into an unarmed teenager showed great restraint.  

 

😃😃😃😁

[spookyturtle 9,465]

10 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

Thank you for your honesty.  Shooting skeet is a nice skill to have, but is about 0.0024375329% effective in an active shooter situation.  No offense, but YOUR orange has no place in talking about these apples.

Please hold your judgment for awhile.  Yes, the situation looks bad right now, but they often do. When the George Floyd shooting happened, and I watched the first video released, I was incensed.  But as more evidence and videos surfaced, I realized Chauvin did as he was trained to do..  And that has been backed up by more than one cop friend.

It's one thing to have an opinion, another to talk about how things "should have gone down"... but as a person who has shot little, and doesn't own a gun, this might be better left to the professionals.  And by that, I do NOT mean the MSM.  It will take weeks to know the real deal. 

For one thing, people are talking about 90 shots. Only 60 hits.  8 cops equates to roughly 120-128 potential rounds.  That they only fired 90 shows obvious restraint.  And 60/90 = 67% hit rate, which is pretty darn good in an active shooter situation.

ETA:  I agree about the Uvalde thug.  He should have been mowed down, only 45 minutes sooner.

67% hit rate is a high hit percentage in this situation. Almost unbelievable compared to many police shootings.