President Trump, A Formidable Candidate In 2024 Republican Primaries: Golden/TIPP Poll

[spookyturtle 9,465]

26 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

Trump did more for America in 4 years than anyone I can remember in a long time.  Is he a blowhard, and egotistical?  Yes.  It is hard to find people at his level that care about the little folks, but I believe he might be one.  I also happen to be friends with cops who have been on details many times at Mar A Lago, and have been invited into his house for holiday meals while they were on detail to guard him.  They all happen to think highly of him.  Good enough for me, since they happen to be stand-up guys.

The Bidens (Joe & Hunter) have done more to hurt America since 2018 than anyone else I know.  The corruption and destruction of America continues after the stolen election and the major duping of our citizens the past two years.  Sickens me to my core.  

I hear many people in real life say that Trump was the best President in modern times or in their lifetime. What did he accomplish? What did he do for America? Maybe, just maybe the election was legit and he couldn’t take the thought of losing and is so corrupt he fabricated the election fraud conspiracy? Just throwing it out there for thought. Why do you believe everything he says, yet dispute anything negative that has been aired recently? Not provoking you, just curious. Is it logical to believe that anyone who testified anything that reflects poorly on him is a liar? Everyone is corrupt, his VP, and the dozens of people he appointed and canned? He’s the only one who is honest? The entire government is out to get him? He has said nothing or done nothing to attract all this attention? He’s the only person in the history of our government without corruption, skeletons in his closet or out for himself? Doesn’t seem to be rational to me. 

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

1 hour ago, spookyturtle said:

I hear many people in real life say that Trump was the best President in modern times or in their lifetime. What did he accomplish? What did he do for America? Maybe, just maybe the election was legit and he couldn’t take the thought of losing and is so corrupt he fabricated the election fraud conspiracy? Just throwing it out there for thought. Why do you believe everything he says, yet dispute anything negative that has been aired recently? Not provoking you, just curious. Is it logical to believe that anyone who testified anything that reflects poorly on him is a liar? Everyone is corrupt, his VP, and the dozens of people he appointed and canned? He’s the only one who is honest? The entire government is out to get him? He has said nothing or done nothing to attract all this attention? He’s the only person in the history of our government without corruption, skeletons in his closet or out for himself? Doesn’t seem to be rational to me. 

I have no idea what Trump said about the election.  I know what I saw.  Go watch 2000 MULES and get back to me about a "legit" election.

No one rises to his level without some corruption (yes, I know, that's a VERY judgmental statement, but I believe it to be true of MANY rich folks.  Even Pelosi, though she's nowhere his level).  He is a NYC contractor/builder, not a true politician.  And as such, while I'm sure he has committed his fair of sins, I have ZERO confidence in 98% or more of our politicians the past 20 years or so.

Consider that he was fought against, lied about, and hated nearly every say of his term, mostly by dems, but even by some in his own party.  But in spite of that, here are some things he did.  Not included in this short list is the donation of his entire salary for the good of our nation.

https://www.nationandstate.com/2021/01/20/25-top-accomplishments-of-president-donald-j-trump/ 

[TBoneTX 45,266]

It's been observed more than once that Trump is the most investigated politician in history, and, by now obvious, is the cleanest.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

Yep.  Honestly, I am surprised at the amount of made-up "evidence" against him, and the lack of real evidence.  Heck, even Stormy Daniels lost, and I assumed (as many did) that she was gonna take him down.

[MarJhi 959]

2 hours ago, spookyturtle said:

I hear many people in real life say that Trump was the best President in modern times or in their lifetime. What did he accomplish? What did he do for America? Maybe, just maybe the election was legit and he couldn’t take the thought of losing and is so corrupt he fabricated the election fraud conspiracy? Just throwing it out there for thought. Why do you believe everything he says, yet dispute anything negative that has been aired recently? Not provoking you, just curious. Is it logical to believe that anyone who testified anything that reflects poorly on him is a liar? Everyone is corrupt, his VP, and the dozens of people he appointed and canned? He’s the only one who is honest? The entire government is out to get him? He has said nothing or done nothing to attract all this attention? He’s the only person in the history of our government without corruption, skeletons in his closet or out for himself? Doesn’t seem to be rational to me. 

Since I believe it is easy to critique a politician you have a built in bias against, can you now turn the tables and give us a critique of the current president? Maybe you can answer some of those same questions about JB. One who doesn't like the current president can easily breakdown the results of his 17 months in office, but it would be more interesting for a supporter to describe the negatives if they have the honesty to be able to do so.

Edited July 1, 2022 by MarJhi

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

5 minutes ago, MarJhi said:

Since I believe it is easy to critique a politician you have a built in bias against, can you now turn the tables and give us a critique of the current president? Maybe you can answer some of those same questions about JB. One who doesn't like the current president can easily breakdown the results of his 17 months in office, but it would be more interesting for a supporter to describe the negatives if they have the honesty to be able to do so.

Spooky isn't a die-hard liberal.  But I would love to hear from ANYONE here in this forum who voted for Biden as to what they think he is doing good for America.  I have asked for it before, and the call has gone unanswered.  But I have faith that someone here in the 31% that think he is doing good things will soon speak up in his defense.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

5 hours ago, MarJhi said:

Since I believe it is easy to critique a politician you have a built in bias against, can you now turn the tables and give us a critique of the current president? Maybe you can answer some of those same questions about JB. One who doesn't like the current president can easily breakdown the results of his 17 months in office, but it would be more interesting for a supporter to describe the negatives if they have the honesty to be able to do so.

What does Biden have to do with the discussion? 

[spookyturtle 9,465]

5 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

Spooky isn't a die-hard liberal.  But I would love to hear from ANYONE here in this forum who voted for Biden as to what they think he is doing good for America.  I have asked for it before, and the call has gone unanswered.  But I have faith that someone here in the 31% that think he is doing good things will soon speak up in his defense.

I’m in MA, which Biden won by a large margin. Currently I only know a couple of people who will even admit to voting for him and none of them will even comment in a friendly discussion what they think of his job performance. For the record, I think Biden and the current administration sucks. 

[Dashinka 24,487]

8 hours ago, spookyturtle said:

I hear many people in real life say that Trump was the best President in modern times or in their lifetime. What did he accomplish? What did he do for America? Maybe, just maybe the election was legit and he couldn’t take the thought of losing and is so corrupt he fabricated the election fraud conspiracy? Just throwing it out there for thought. Why do you believe everything he says, yet dispute anything negative that has been aired recently? Not provoking you, just curious. Is it logical to believe that anyone who testified anything that reflects poorly on him is a liar? Everyone is corrupt, his VP, and the dozens of people he appointed and canned? He’s the only one who is honest? The entire government is out to get him? He has said nothing or done nothing to attract all this attention? He’s the only person in the history of our government without corruption, skeletons in his closet or out for himself? Doesn’t seem to be rational to me. 

Personally, I think he was just trying to play from the Hillary Clinton playbook, and not doing a great job of it.  The GOP was not very mobilized to counter all the election law changes made in the name of Covid, and Trump is Trump, listening to idiots like Rudy, and the Craken lady instead of focusing on what really decided the election which was the ballot harvesting that ran rampant in 2020. 

[MarJhi 959]

21 minutes ago, spookyturtle said:

What does Biden have to do with the discussion? 

Joe Biden has everything to do with the discussion because good ole' Joe was supposed to be the man to "heal" the country, soften the divide and just be a better president than Trump. They both have character flaws, they both can be blowhards, they both bend the truth into a pretzel. The only things that really matters (in my opinion) is the results in terms of the strength of the country economically and which one wants to assert more control over the lives of Americans. Remember when in October of 2020 Biden and Harris said they wouldn't trust the vaccine and just a few short months later it was the greatest thing since sliced bread and everyone should take it and eventually be forced to take it if they had their way? If the vaccine is the greatest thing and it was developed under Trump, why is he not given credit? 2 summers ago I was budgeting $40 a month for gas, last week I paid $48 for 8 gallons. I work in a grocery store, I see the price increases and the shrinking pack sizes on a daily basis. 2 years ago the company standard for OOS (out of stocks, holes on the shelf) was 30 total for the entire store, now we have nearly 1000 every day. Inflation has outpaced wage increases so that not only was my wage increase erased, I essentially got a Joe Biden pay cut. Like I said, they are both blowhards, both full of character flaws and both lie about many things, but if we want to compare results to the average Americans bank account, there is no comparison.

[Dashinka 24,487]

9 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

Spooky isn't a die-hard liberal.  But I would love to hear from ANYONE here in this forum who voted for Biden as to what they think he is doing good for America.  I have asked for it before, and the call has gone unanswered.  But I have faith that someone here in the 31% that think he is doing good things will soon speak up in his defense.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

16 hours ago, spookyturtle said:

Trump should be charged and tried for treason. His ego destroyed him.

Being a jerk is not treason. I do recall them trying to impeach him for something Biden did.

 

Also recall every member of the mainstream press repeating the Russian collusion hoax as fact for over a year.

[MarJhi 959]

10 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Being a jerk is not treason. I do recall them trying to impeach him for something Biden did.

 

Also recall every member of the mainstream press repeating the Russian collusion hoax as fact for over a year.

It's only treason if the media, a celebrity or an athlete tells you so, please don't stray from the opinion you are permitted to have by your betters.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

5 hours ago, MarJhi said:

Joe Biden has everything to do with the discussion because good ole' Joe was supposed to be the man to "heal" the country, soften the divide and just be a better president than Trump. They both have character flaws, they both can be blowhards, they both bend the truth into a pretzel. The only things that really matters (in my opinion) is the results in terms of the strength of the country economically and which one wants to assert more control over the lives of Americans. Remember when in October of 2020 Biden and Harris said they wouldn't trust the vaccine and just a few short months later it was the greatest thing since sliced bread and everyone should take it and eventually be forced to take it if they had their way? If the vaccine is the greatest thing and it was developed under Trump, why is he not given credit? 2 summers ago I was budgeting $40 a month for gas, last week I paid $48 for 8 gallons. I work in a grocery store, I see the price increases and the shrinking pack sizes on a daily basis. 2 years ago the company standard for OOS (out of stocks, holes on the shelf) was 30 total for the entire store, now we have nearly 1000 every day. Inflation has outpaced wage increases so that not only was my wage increase erased, I essentially got a Joe Biden pay cut. Like I said, they are both blowhards, both full of character flaws and both lie about many things, but if we want to compare results to the average Americans bank account, there is no comparison.

Great post.  I, too, remember all those thing.  And Biden, Harris, and Pelosi standing up in front of America and telling us it's NOT the government's place to force people to take the experimental drugs.  Yet, they did JUST that.  And worse.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

10 hours ago, MarJhi said:

Joe Biden has everything to do with the discussion because good ole' Joe was supposed to be the man to "heal" the country, soften the divide and just be a better president than Trump. They both have character flaws, they both can be blowhards, they both bend the truth into a pretzel. The only things that really matters (in my opinion) is the results in terms of the strength of the country economically and which one wants to assert more control over the lives of Americans. Remember when in October of 2020 Biden and Harris said they wouldn't trust the vaccine and just a few short months later it was the greatest thing since sliced bread and everyone should take it and eventually be forced to take it if they had their way? If the vaccine is the greatest thing and it was developed under Trump, why is he not given credit? 2 summers ago I was budgeting $40 a month for gas, last week I paid $48 for 8 gallons. I work in a grocery store, I see the price increases and the shrinking pack sizes on a daily basis. 2 years ago the company standard for OOS (out of stocks, holes on the shelf) was 30 total for the entire store, now we have nearly 1000 every day. Inflation has outpaced wage increases so that not only was my wage increase erased, I essentially got a Joe Biden pay cut. Like I said, they are both blowhards, both full of character flaws and both lie about many things, but if we want to compare results to the average Americans bank account, there is no comparison.

I meant this was a Trump/GOP thread. There are other threads discussing Biden. 
 

Agreed, the vaccine was developed while Trump was President and promoted by Trump. That is a fact that seems to be overlooked. 
 

Gas prices are through the roof. Big oil is making record profits again. 
 

Grocery prices are atrocious, and the pack sizes are shrinking while the prices are increasing. Groceries have put a bigger hit on my budget than gas prices. And the gas prices suck. Lots of shortages at the supermarkets, too. 
 

I think this is much more than a US problem, it’s worldwide. Biden has nothing to do with the chip shortages in Taiwan and Trump had nothing to do with them when the supply was plentiful. The effects of Covid worldwide had a lot to do with what we are experiencing.

 

What happened to the supply of labor?  At least here in New England, there is a massive shortage of help. Where did everyone go? Literally every business large and small is looking for help. I work in construction, can’t find a truck driver for a job that pays $35-40 per hour. Can’t find mechanics/technicians. This includes companies like Caterpillar, Cummins, etc.