May 24, 2022 -- Deadly shooting at Texas elementary school

[MarJhi 958]

3 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

What changed? 

The culture, parenting skills, work ethic, respect for other people's property, victim mentality and the priority of indoctrination over education.

[MarJhi 958]

More coming out about the slow response.

 

 

Border Agents Stormed School and Killed Gunman After Local Police Told them to Wait (thegatewaypundit.com)

 

 

Edited May 28, 2022 by MarJhi

[Boiler 45,443]

Standard operating procedure was ignored despite there being an exercise 2 months earlier.

 

19 cops just stood there.

 

Might be a lot of UHauls being rented.

 

I have seen a lot of talk about court cases but you have no right to expect Police to do anything.

 

 

[Mike E 11,739]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Persons under the age of 18 cannot enter into a legal contract in most states, hence can't rent cars.

Indeed.  But people aged 18 can enter into legal contracts.  And the point (albeit irrelevant) is  this most rental car companies won’t rent to people who are aged 18-21.  Some won’t rent to anyone where 18-25

[Mike E 11,739]

3 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

In the 70s we had no mental health care, no school police or guards, most students had access to guns many with guns in their cars. Yet we never had school violence other than a little fist fight on occasion. 

What changed? 

What we did have in the 1970s was students who committed suicide.   

 

Mass school shooters are students / ex-students who commit suicide  and  take others with them.  
 

So why are they taking others with them?

 

Someone thought of it first. Airplane hijackings weren’t a problem when commercial aviation started. Then someone thought of hijacking.  And the problem is escalated then plummeted when metal detectors and X-rays were added. 
 

The first mass school shooter get lots of news play. Eventually others realized this was the path to are immortality “better to burn out than fade away”  The 24 hour news cycle invented by CNN in the 1980s accelerated awareness and inspiration others. 
 

 It isn’t limited to schools. It happens in work places too. “Going postal” was a term invented in the 1980s.  
 

Why suicide?

many if not most of them are bullied. Most schools  don’t do anything about bullying. If anything it is worse than in the 1970s.    Schools have zero tolerance policies that punish victims for defending themselves.  
 

When kids l got access to the internet and mobile phones, this amplified bullying.   Social media made it worse.  
 

If you accept that bullying is the catalyst to create the mass shooter / suicider then we start to tackle this at the source:

 

* deny federal funding to schools that tolerate bullying.  This lets schools have flexibility to try local solutions. 
* encourage and teach coping strategies. My brother (RIP) was rarely bullied because he had a sense of humor and the would be bully would end up ROTFL.  
* ban minors from social media and much in the way liquor stores are sanctioned for selling alcohol to minors, do the same to social media sites 

* for schools with too much bullying, put the bullies in a lottery and winner is made a public example:

- removed from society for an attempt at rehabilitation. As part of this, if there are underlying issues that trigger this behavior in a bully (medical, abuse from parents, other bullies) these issues are dealt with

- the parents of other bullies pay the costs of rehabilitation of the lottery winner 

- the lottery winner is on a watch list until the winner convinces the bully parole board that there has been rehabilitation.  

 

 
 

 

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

12 hours ago, MarJhi said:

Okay, come on in, but close the door behind you,  we're just about full.

 

California license plates everywhere these days, lot's of people abandoning ship it seems.

Cannot be true.  Heck, we have VJ users telling us how CA is growing, people just flocking to get there....  

[TBoneTX 45,250]

Until mental health et al. can be dealt with, I propose the following:

  1.  Rescind the $40 billion just sent to Ukraine.

  2.  Immediately use it to begin funding locked/buzz-in school entrances and armed guards, at all schools.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

11 hours ago, Kai G. Llewellyn said:

We're not even getting to that point with the current state of mental health access. With the difficulty of access right now, rather than resolving issues before they become a major problem, we seem to have the approach of letting people get to crisis points before really offering them any substantive support. The Doctor's office can provide medication, but it's a bandaid, it doesn't really resolve the problems. They just give you a break from the problems, kinda like Tylenol for your headaches. Actual proper therapy which involves counselling, psychiatrists, cognitive behavioural therapy are the actual solutions here. And it's way too damn hard to access whether you're in the US or elsewhere. Especially if you're from a poor background, the cost alone is a major barrier. I'm hardly talking about dragging people into mental asylums here, moreso that there needs to be easy, free and universal access to mental healthcare for both adults and children, and it's a role that the schools should have as well.

 

If providing mental healthcare is out, gun control is out, what do you suggest we do? Funding the everloving christ out of police departments and having capital punishment clearly doesn't act as a deterrent or prevention of these massacres. Any gun owner should be hugely supportive of improved mental healthcare, it helps ensure the ongoing protection of the 2A while also reducing the negative impacts on society. Win-win if you ask me.

We didn't need mental healthcare nearly as much 40 or 50 years ago.  Why are there so many wackadoos today that "need help"?  Why do people feel they need a psychiatrist to cope with life?  Not trying to come across as a jerk, but I truly don't understand it.  And I know I am not the only well-adjusted person around wondering the same thing.

Edited May 28, 2022 by LIBrty4all

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

7 hours ago, Boiler said:

We have confirmation that the Police waited an hour, they described it as a containment despite Dispatch knowing there were still people in there.

 

Having been reading some coverage in the MSM I wonder if they realise that the message is that you can not rely on the Police, you are on your own. 
 

There is a video doing the rounds of an incident on the NY Subway, basically a woman being attacked and every one else watching. 
 

I do not see anything changing, you just have to respond to actual circumstances 

I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

3 hours ago, Boiler said:

Standard operating procedure was ignored despite there being an exercise 2 months earlier.

 

19 cops just stood there.

 

Might be a lot of UHauls being rented.

 

I have seen a lot of talk about court cases but you have no right to expect Police to do anything.

 

 

I agree.  After the whole "defund the  police" the past coupla years... can you really blame any cop for just hanging back?  Damned if you do, damned if you don't...

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

19 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

Until mental health et al. can be dealt with, I propose the following:

  1.  Rescind the $40 billion just sent to Ukraine.

  2.  Immediately use it to begin funding locked/buzz-in school entrances and armed guards, at all schools.

Where did this $40 billion figure come from?  I keep hearing it.  But...

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-aid-biden-signs-omnibus-bill-2022-03-15/

[Redro 4,611]

7 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

Where did this $40 billion figure come from?  I keep hearing it.  But...

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-aid-biden-signs-omnibus-bill-2022-03-15/

https://www.vox.com/23125706/ukraine-aid-russia-invasion-us-40-billion

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/us/politics/senate-passes-ukraine-aid.html

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/big-items-washingtons-40-billion-ukraine-aid-package-2022-05-19/

 

Edited May 28, 2022 by ROK2USA

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

11:27 AM – Exterior door where shooter entered was propped open by a teacher.
11:28 AM – Shooter’s vehicle crashes into a ditch.
11:28 AM – Teacher runs to room 132 to retrieve her phone and door remains propped open.
11:30 AM – Teacher calls 911 to report the crash and a man with a gun.
11:31 AM – The suspect reaches last row of vehicles in the school parking lot.
11:31 AM – Shooter approaches school, shooting at the classroom windows as he approaches.
11:31 AM – Patrol vehicles arrive at funeral home.
11:32 AM – Multiple shots fired at the school.
11:33 AM – Shooter enters the school, begins firing into room 111 or 112; at least 100 rounds fired.
11:35 AM – Three Uvalde PD officers enter school through same door shooter entered, quickly followed by three more Uvalde PD and one sheriff’s deputy.
11:36 AM – Three Uvalde PD officers approach the classroom door and two are shot; they fall back.
11:37 AM – Shooter fires 16 rounds.
11:51 AM – Police sergeant arrived.
12:03 PM – Additional officers arrive; “There were as many as 19 officers at that time in that hallway.”
12:03 PM – 911 call from room 112 lasting 1 minute, 23 seconds.
12:10 PM – 911 call from room 112, advised multiple are dead.
12:13 PM – 911 call from room 112.

12:16 PM – 911 call from room 111, caller reporting there are eight to nine students alive.
12:15 PM – Members of BORTAC arrived, along with shields.
12:19 PM – 911 call from room 111, caller hung up when another student told them to.
12:21 PM – Shooter fired again, “It was believed to be at the door.”
12:21 PM – 911 call from room 111.
12:21 PM – Law enforcement moved down the hallway.
12:26 PM – 911 call from student lasting 26 seconds.
12:26 PM – 911 call from the same student, reports that the killer shot the door. Student was told to stay on the line and to be very quiet.
12:46 PM – 911 caller says she can hear police next door.
12:47 PM – Asked 911 to “please send the police now.”
12:50 PM – Officers breached the locked classroom door using keys provided by the janitor.

Edited May 28, 2022 by LIBrty4all

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

9 minutes ago, ROK2USA said:

https://www.vox.com/23125706/ukraine-aid-russia-invasion-us-40-billion

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/us/politics/senate-passes-ukraine-aid.html

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/big-items-washingtons-40-billion-ukraine-aid-package-2022-05-19/

 

https://theconversation.com/us-aid-to-ukraine-13-6-billion-approved-following-russian-bombardment-marks-sharp-increase-179172

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/03/18/upshot/ukraine-aid-details.html

 

https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/03/why-is-the-u-s-sending-1-billion-to-ukraine

 

I can do that too.  SO... which is correct?

[Redro 4,611]

https://www.vox.com/23125706/ukraine-aid-russia-invasion-us-40-billion

 

The Senate voted 86 to 11 to pass a $40 billion Ukraine aid package Thursday in the latest bipartisan signal of Washington’s deepening commitment to Ukraine’s grinding war against Russia.

The bill includes a huge one-time outlay of military and security assistance, along with funding for mounting economic and humanitarian needs. This latest legislation comes in addition to the $13.6 billion in emergency assistance for Ukraine that Congress approved in March, bringing the total of the United States’ Ukraine aid to a historic $53 billion since the start of the war.

 

$13.6 billion is emergency money (approved in March)

$40 billion is additional money. Part of the money goes towards securing embassies... reuters article I posted gives a little details of what the money will be used for. 

First article you posted was written in March. 

Articles I posted are from May. They just decided this on Thursday 16 May.