18 children, 3 adults killed in Texas elementary school shooting

[MarJhi 962]

1 hour ago, Dashinka said:

Well of course Robert Francis had to make an appearance to politicize the tragedy.

 

Beto O'Rourke GATECRASHES Texas school shooting press conference and heckles Greg Abbott and Republicans over gun reform before being bundled out and called 'a sick son of a b***h'

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10854523/Beto-ORourke-marched-Texas-school-shooting-press-conference.html

Ahh Beto, a face that could launch a thousand TOS violations.

[yuna628 9,676]

11 minutes ago, Crazy Cat said:

What provides the fastest reaction to a threat??

 

Not ALL police say that/

 

Ever seen just how many lawful, sane gun owners there are in the US?  Do you feel threatened by them?  Does it make you uncomfortable knowing that there are MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of us?

 

Silly question. 

The police provided the fastest reaction to this threat, and still failed. 

 

Many police do say it though, are they to be dismissed?

 

I don't typically care too much about them either way unless their actions threaten me or mine. I just see what some do on a regular basis, (at least those that I have been exposed to), and most of the time it's not the best experience.

 

I mean I think everyone here would agree that this was a bad guy with a gun. Should we just shrug and say oh well, we can't ever prevent a bad guy getting a gun?

 

 

[MarJhi 962]

24 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Are police that say they do not want teachers carrying guns, in the wrong?

Police are not a monolith. I know police who think that teachers should be armed for a variety of reasons. Are they in the wrong?

[Dashinka 24,497]

4 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

The police provided the fastest reaction to this threat, and still failed. 

 

Many police do say it though, are they to be dismissed?

 

I don't typically care too much about them either way unless their actions threaten me or mine. I just see what some do on a regular basis, (at least those that I have been exposed to), and most of the time it's not the best experience.

 

I mean I think everyone here would agree that this was a bad guy with a gun. Should we just shrug and say oh well, we can't ever prevent a bad guy getting a gun?

 

 

What would your thoughts be if that gun-owner protected you in a situation that demanded it?  The whole what if the teacher decides to do something nefarious with a firearm they are allowed to and trained to carry could be used for other nefarious issues such as pedophile grooming.  Should we get rid of all teachers?

 

The bigger question is why is the frequency increasing.  The Left tends to lean to the availability of firearms, but that is a red herring.  Firearms have been available for many many years, heck, when I went to Highschool many students would have guns in the cars so they could go hunting after school.  The availability of guns is not the root cause.

[MarJhi 962]

1 hour ago, yuna628 said:

When I lived in the city, gun violence was everywhere. Kids were killed every day. Now that I live in a rural area, guns are everywhere - and frequently I see individuals not treat those guns with respect and participate in unsafe behavior.

What were the gun laws in the city you lived in?

 

What are the gun laws where you live now?

 

I am going to take a wild guess and say the gun laws in the city were WILDLY more restrictive than the rural area where you currently reside. How did those gun laws stop bad guys from getting a gun? Only law abiding citizens follow laws, bad guys are completely unfazed by gun laws. The ONLY effect gun laws have is to disarm law abiding citizens....that's it.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

45 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

So if we have parents that want a teacher to carry a gun, and other parents that do not want that same teacher to carry a gun, what is the answer? Are police that say they do not want teachers carrying guns, in the wrong?

 

I'm simply trying to say that I grew up in an environment where bad people had quite a lot of guns. Now that I'm older, I'm in a location where there are supposedly plenty of good people with guns, except what I see isn't the best behavior with those guns. I have never felt safe or more secure when someone had a gun - no matter who they are. 

 

Why do they need training? Texas allows a person to carry without license or any sort of training. I'm glad you want proper training, but the law in Texas says that's not necessary. Weapons are also prohibited in schools in Texas, so even in a state that is very loose on restrictions.. acknowledge a school is not typically a place where guns should be.

I know this wasn't directed at me, but I like to stop disinformation whenever I witness an opportunity.

 

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How to Get Your Texas Concealed Handgun License

1. Take a Texas CHL Class

   Applicants are required to complete four to six hours of classroom training as well as pass a written exam and a shooting proficiency qualification. The class must be conducted in Texas by a Texas LTC instructor that is certified by the Department of Public Safety.

 

This is pretty much in line with MOST states requirements to carry concealed.  One can avoid the classroom instruction and testing via military or LEO experience.

 

(Cannot address your other personal hang-ups as regards guns.  Having gotten my first one at the age of 7, and having done a LOT of shooting and hunting ever since, I absolutely feel safer knowing I have a gun handy 98% of the time.  Hopefully, I'll leave this planet without ever having to point one at another human being.)

 

Also, one cannot be made to carry a gun if they don't want to.  Ditto teachers.  Some never would, and I am fine with that.  Some people never should.  But those who are qualified, more power to them.

Edited May 25, 2022 by LIBrty4all

[MarJhi 962]

19 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

when I went to Highschool many students would have guns in the cars so they could go hunting after school.

Yup, same thing at my high school. You quite often saw pickup trucks with gun racks in the back. 

 

By the way, do you know whose house never got robbed? The house that had a pickup with a gun rack in the back.

[MarJhi 962]

We don't have a gun problem.

 

We have a culture/empathy/lack of personal responsibility problem. The source of all your problems is because somehow society wronged you, not because you messed up. Don't blame yourself when you can blame sexism, racism or any other manufactured ism or phobia for your troubles. It's THEIR fault, not yours.

 

We have a psychotropic drug problem. We are one of only 2 countries on this planet that allows drug manufacturers to advertise. Hey your kid is acting up, a little hyper, a bit out of control? Here put him on these psychotropic medications, of course their may be some serious, even deadly side effects if he goes off his meds, but we listed the suicidal thoughts thing on the commercial so it's all good. 

[JPD91 43]

 

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

1 hour ago, yuna628 said:

 Weapons are also prohibited in schools in Texas, so even in a state that is very loose on restrictions.. acknowledge a school is not typically a place where guns should be.

and we know how effective that law worked.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10166864359150157&set=pcb.10166864360490157

Not sure how it will display here, but it is a set of pictures of the victims.  So many lives needlessly destroyed...  And more is coming out about the killer's dysfunctional family.

[B_J 2,752]

22 minutes ago, JPD91 said:

 

Just because someone may make you laugh, it doesn't mean they're smart.  Being funny is not the same as being correct, or even knowledgeable.

[JPD91 43]

2 minutes ago, B_J said:

Just because someone may make you laugh, it doesn't mean they're smart.  Being funny is not the same as being correct, or even knowledgeable.

Who’s to say he isn’t correct? It’s down to a matter of opinion. 

[B_J 2,752]

5 minutes ago, JPD91 said:

Who’s to say he isn’t correct? It’s down to a matter of opinion. 

For instance, when he claims there is one, and only one, reason for having a gun.  "I like guns."  That is meant to be funny, but it isn't intelligent, knowledgeable, or correct.

 

Again, just because he's funny, doesn't mean he actually knows anything.  

[JPD91 43]

2 minutes ago, B_J said:

For instance, when he claims there is one, and only one, reason for having a gun.  "I like guns."  That is meant to be funny, but it isn't intelligent, knowledgeable, or correct.

 

Again, just because he's funny, doesn't mean he actually knows anything.  

What is a legitimate reason to own a gun?