The baby formula supply problem is getting worse [merged threads]

[Boiler 45,441]

16 minutes ago, Fuerteventura said:

So,  the Biden administration was responsible for the failure of the market place.  🤔 

This is about competency not politics

 

This is a highly regulated market, makes sense especially with the Chinese issues and I do not have problems with that

 

I have issues with not being able to differentiate between China and say Canada but whatever 

 

Forget where I read it now but it takes many years for a new manufacture to come on stream 

 

So when the Administration takes a bit chunk of production out and does nothing what did they think would happen?

[Dashinka 24,478]

37 minutes ago, Fuerteventura said:

So,  the Biden administration was responsible for the failure of the market place.  🤔 

 

No doubt if they had federalized the plant in September, had that even been legal, Fox news would have featured a flash series secret buses and flights full of illegal aliens whi have been hidden in baby formula factories working toward  exporting American's baby formula to Guatemala. Sounds crazy but that is a ditl of right wing media. 

 

I liked "the right" when they stood for markets and individual accountability, at least then you could have a rational discussion about the theory and practice of government, now they are just grasping at straws. 

Competence is required, and competence is severely lacking in this Administration. 

[Fuerteventura 29]

7 minutes ago, Boiler said:

This is about competency not politics

 

This is a highly regulated market, makes sense especially with the Chinese issues and I do not have problems with that

 

I have issues with not being able to differentiate between China and say Canada but whatever 

 

Forget where I read it now but it takes many years for a new manufacture to come on stream 

 

So when the Administration takes a bit chunk of production out and does nothing what did they think would happen?

The market is highly self regulated. The manufacturer maintains a HACCP plan and accountability for logging, reporting,  recalls and remediation. QC is a 24x7 accountability of the manufacturer, with FDA oversight and periodic inspections, unlike USDA where the federal inspector is embedded in daily operations.

 

Where does it state that the administration took a chunk out of production?   Was that before or after infants were sickened and possibly died from ingesting Abbott formula? 

[Dashinka 24,478]

1 minute ago, Fuerteventura said:

The market is highly self regulated. The manufacturer maintains a HACCP plan and accountability for logging, reporting,  recalls and remediation. QC is a 24x7 accountability of the manufacturer, with FDA oversight and periodic inspections, unlike USDA where the federal inspector is embedded in daily operations.

 

Where does it state that the administration took a chunk out of production?   Was that before or after infants were sickened and possibly died from ingesting Abbott formula? 

It was after and from what I read, the plant was not responsible for the issue.  Regardless, as I already stated, that one plant supplies 40% of the US supply and has been down since February.

[Fuerteventura 29]

2 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Competence is required, and competence is severely lacking in this Administration. 

Possibly,  but no evidence that makes any sense has been put forward to that effect here. If you at least told me that Biden should have detected  and remediated the risk of consolidation of production and producers, I might agree with you. 

 

But in this case folks are saying the FDA overstepped and under, side stepped at the same time.  If you said the DOC should investigate hording and diversions in the market place, I would say absolutely. But if you say that you won't apply that same scrutiny to every food, drug and device in the FDA portfolio, then you are cherry picking.

 

 

 

[Fuerteventura 29]

10 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

It was after and from what I read, the plant was not responsible for the issue.  Regardless, as I already stated, that one plant supplies 40% of the US supply and has been down since February.

What do you want the federal government to do? Be specific.

 

 

Abbott did the right thing by shutting down and recalling product. The bacteria was present in the factory and in the infant deaths. Abbott made mistakes and is making amends. The CEO has apologized about the shortage caused by the recall in a public op-ed. 

 

If you want a federal law that says manufacturers of food must not have 40% of the market or 25% of the production, be my guest. I might even sign on. 

 

I am done with this thread, the only thing Biden detractors are going to accept is  that the Whitehouse is at fault, and no good ideas to improve the situation.

[Dashinka 24,478]

22 minutes ago, Fuerteventura said:

Possibly,  but no evidence that makes any sense has been put forward to that effect here. If you at least told me that Biden should have detected  and remediated the risk of consolidation of production and producers, I might agree with you. 

 

But in this case folks are saying the FDA overstepped and under, side stepped at the same time.  If you said the DOC should investigate hording and diversions in the market place, I would say absolutely. But if you say that you won't apply that same scrutiny to every food, drug and device in the FDA portfolio, then you are cherry picking.

 

 

 

I am saying there have been plenty of warning signs that this crisis was building since October 2021 with a huge jump in the effects in February 2022.  Why did the Biden baby formula flights only start last week?  Why didn’t the FDA relax its labeling requirements for European formula?  Why didn’t the democrat lead Congress change the WIC requirements until now?  Why didn’t Biden tear up the USMCA and get rid of the tariffs on Canadian and Mexican imports?  It was only when stories started surfacing in leftist MSM that current DC leadership started paying attention.

Edited May 23, 2022 by Dashinka

[Dashinka 24,478]

4 minutes ago, Fuerteventura said:

What do you want the federal government to do? Be specific.

 

 

Abbott did the right thing by shutting down and recalling product. The bacteria was present in the factory and in the infant deaths. Abbott made mistakes and is making amends. The CEO has apologized about the shortage caused by the recall in a public op-ed. 

 

If you want a federal law that says manufacturers of food must not have 40% of the market or 25% of the production, be my guest. I might even sign on. 

 

I am done with this thread, the only thing Biden detractors are going to accept is  that the Whitehouse is at fault, and no good ideas to improve the situation.

No one said Biden is responsible for the issue, but he (his administration) owns the response and the ineptness is apparent.  Feel free to keep defending this second rate Obama Administration, someone makes up the people that still approve of this buffoon.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

If more men would STOP getting pregnant & having babies, and at the same time women used boobies more, this would not even be an issue.

Which plant produced THE MOST baby formula in 1965?

[Fuerteventura 29]

Yeah, thinking 🤔 , maybe referring to women and their bodies as a inanimate means of production might sound a tad doctrinaire for the 21st century. 

[yuna628 9,671]

Boobs don't produce milk like magic. For a variety of reasons it's sometimes not possible.

 

Or you could be like me, the baby that swelled up, turned red, screamed in pain, and projectile vomited everywhere when exposed to milk. And with more and more babies having this issue, a wide variety of formula options helps.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

3 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Boobs don't produce milk like magic. For a variety of reasons it's sometimes not possible.

 

Or you could be like me, the baby that swelled up, turned red, screamed in pain, and projectile vomited everywhere when exposed to milk. And with more and more babies having this issue, a wide variety of formula options helps.

And yet, wet nurses exist.  Wonder how THAT particular black magic came about?

 

Dunno what caused your baby to reject your milk, considering (s)he came from your body?  Perhaps a drug interaction issue?

Edited May 24, 2022 by LIBrty4all

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

3 hours ago, Fuerteventura said:

Yeah, thinking 🤔 , maybe referring to women and their bodies as a inanimate means of production might sound a tad doctrinaire for the 21st century. 

Biology hasn't changed much in the past 10,000,000,000 years, eh?

[Fuerteventura 29]

26 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

Biology hasn't changed much in the past 10,000,000,000 years, eh?

No trogladites still drag their knuckles.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

25 minutes ago, Fuerteventura said:

No trogladites still drag their knuckles.

That's quite the personal sharing of family traditions.  I am touched.