The baby formula supply problem is getting worse [merged threads]

[Boiler 45,441]

On 5/16/2022 at 1:39 PM, beloved_dingo said:

Don't you know that literally every issue is the president's fault when the "other party" is in office (even when the problem in question is global)? 😂

Both sides do this. If the president actually had that much control I would be very concerned, regardless of who was in office.

 

[Fuerteventura 29]

30 minutes ago, Boiler said:

 

This sounds like effective and appropriate federal intervention: prescription formula is airlifted from overseas to make sure doctors and pharmacists can give them to children who are lactose intolerant. What is the fault to find?

[Boiler 45,441]

Apparently Biden could not do anything, looks like that was not true.

 

If you watch the film it mentions some of the issues this is causing

 

Actually none of this will hit the shelves

 

But we had the usual suspect there trying to milk it, pun inteneded.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

On 5/16/2022 at 3:39 PM, beloved_dingo said:

Don't you know that literally every issue is the president's fault when the "other party" is in office (even when the problem in question is global)? 😂

Both sides do this. If the president actually had that much control I would be very concerned, regardless of who was in office.

Name one thing your president has done good for America thus far.  We'll wait...

[Fuerteventura 29]

2 hours ago, Boiler said:

Apparently Biden could not do anything, looks like that was not true.

 

If you watch the film it mentions some of the issues this is causing

 

Actually none of this will hit the shelves

 

But we had the usual suspect there trying to milk it, pun inteneded.

This is prescription formula. The only shelves it will reach is the ones accessible by a licensed pharmacist.

[Dashinka 24,478]

10 hours ago, Fuerteventura said:

This sounds like effective and appropriate federal intervention: prescription formula is airlifted from overseas to make sure doctors and pharmacists can give them to children who are lactose intolerant. What is the fault to find?

Effective would have been addressing the problem last Fall and doing something then.  I was a firefighter for years, and prevention and planning are always more effective than responding to a crisis/emergency.  Everything with this Administration is a crisis.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

11 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

Name one thing your president has done good for America thus far.  We'll wait...

Has not resigned  and left Harris in charge

[Fuerteventura 29]

5 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Effective would have been addressing the problem last Fall and doing something then.  I was a firefighter for years, and prevention and planning are always more effective than responding to a crisis/emergency.  Everything with this Administration is a crisis.

In looking at the timeline of events, what would you want to see differently? Other than totally shutting down the factory when the first infant was sickened in September or the first inspection failure in September (I am not even sure FDA regs permit that action), what would you change?  Federalize the baby formula industry?  Jail Abbot Labs officers? 

[Boiler 45,441]

20 minutes ago, Fuerteventura said:

In looking at the timeline of events, what would you want to see differently? Other than totally shutting down the factory when the first infant was sickened in September or the first inspection failure in September (I am not even sure FDA regs permit that action), what would you change?  Federalize the baby formula industry?  Jail Abbot Labs officers? 

You knew you had a problem 8 months ago

 

You know the industry has very limited spare capacity

 

So you wait 8 months before doing anything 

 

Makes perfect sense

[Dashinka 24,478]

14 minutes ago, Fuerteventura said:

In looking at the timeline of events, what would you want to see differently? Other than totally shutting down the factory when the first infant was sickened in September or the first inspection failure in September (I am not even sure FDA regs permit that action), what would you change?  Federalize the baby formula industry?  Jail Abbot Labs officers? 

I believe when the first whistle-blower report showed up in October 2021, the FDA should have been immediately taken interest and been all over this plant considering it alone is responsible for around 40% of the formula produced in the US.  They should have been able to make a determination in weeks whether these items pointed out were responsible for the infections reported, but instead they kept producing at least until February when they were shut-down.  What was happening between October and February?  What has been happening between February and now?  When the plant shut down in February, a blind squirrel could have determined that this would cause issues with the supply, but our vaunted Federal government waited until the middle of May to actually do anything to reduce the impacts of the eventual shortfall.  

 

I do love the socialist argument, no there is no need to federalize the baby formula industry.  This even alone shows how inefficient the federal government is, they do not need to be in control of anything in the market place.  If there are criminal findings with the folks at Abbot Labs, then criminal prosecution may be warranted.

 

The simple fact is the US government bureaucracy, Biden Administration, and the Democrat controlled House and Senate allowed this crisis to get out of hand.  There is no excuse.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

45 minutes ago, Fuerteventura said:

In looking at the timeline of events, what would you want to see differently? Other than totally shutting down the factory when the first infant was sickened in September or the first inspection failure in September (I am not even sure FDA regs permit that action), what would you change?  Federalize the baby formula industry?  Jail Abbot Labs officers? 

Any facility making food grade products is FDA regulated . That having been said not sure it's their fault 

[Dashinka 24,478]

34 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Any facility making food grade products is FDA regulated . That having been said not sure it's their fault 

Definitely not blaming the FDA for the production of the product, but they do have a big hand in the regulation and actions taken when there is a suspected issue.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

It's Trump's fault.  Needed to be said, and I alone had the courage to state the obvious.

[Fuerteventura 29]

3 hours ago, Dashinka said:

I believe when the first whistle-blower report showed up in October 2021, the FDA should have been immediately taken interest and been all over this plant considering it alone is responsible for around 40% of the formula produced in the US.  They should have been able to make a determination in weeks whether these items pointed out were responsible for the infections reported, but instead they kept producing at least until February when they were shut-down.  What was happening between October and February?  What has been happening between February and now?  When the plant shut down in February, a blind squirrel could have determined that this would cause issues with the supply, but our vaunted Federal government waited until the middle of May to actually do anything to reduce the impacts of the eventual shortfall.  

 

I do love the socialist argument, no there is no need to federalize the baby formula industry.  This even alone shows how inefficient the federal government is, they do not need to be in control of anything in the market place.  If there are criminal findings with the folks at Abbot Labs, then criminal prosecution may be warranted.

 

The simple fact is the US government bureaucracy, Biden Administration, and the Democrat controlled House and Senate allowed this crisis to get out of hand.  There is no excuse.

So,  the Biden administration was responsible for the failure of the market place.  🤔 

 

No doubt if they had federalized the plant in September, had that even been legal, Fox news would have featured a flash series secret buses and flights full of illegal aliens whi have been hidden in baby formula factories working toward  exporting American's baby formula to Guatemala. Sounds crazy but that is a ditl of right wing media. 

 

I liked "the right" when they stood for markets and individual accountability, at least then you could have a rational discussion about the theory and practice of government, now they are just grasping at straws. 

[yuna628 9,671]

4 hours ago, Fuerteventura said:

In looking at the timeline of events, what would you want to see differently? Other than totally shutting down the factory when the first infant was sickened in September or the first inspection failure in September (I am not even sure FDA regs permit that action), what would you change?  Federalize the baby formula industry?  Jail Abbot Labs officers? 

What could we have done? Well we could have not put the tariffs in that had a special section pertaining to formula that was nudged in by lobbyists. That wasn't Biden's deal either, that was the previous administration thing. So what could this administration done? Maybe rip up that tariff so that ample supply could flow over the border again. Also tweak regulation and increase trade of perfectly acceptable formula from other countries that have a higher standard than our own.The CBP has continued to seize hundreds of dollars of formula from the border. You do have to wonder why many of these unhelpful tariffs have been left in place. Maybe they're not paying attention over there. The plant needed to be shut down, probably sooner than later. It's disturbing to me that the plant continued to operate while having a history of problems not getting addressed. Shutting down the plant without correcting the major problem impacting formula supply is going to cause issues. https://reason.com/2022/05/19/bidens-baby-formula-airlift-stunt-should-never-have-been-necessary/