Marcos? It amazes me...

[Adventine 3,196]

3 minutes ago, RO_AH said:

Yeah, issues seem to be irrelevant in politics there. I guess even history fades memories. I live in Hawaii and remember the overthrow of the father and them arriving with trunks of cash that was confiscated upon arrival. I think the biggest mistake that the Philippines made was allowing BBM and his mother back to the Philippines after Ferdinand died. They should have demanded that they forfeit all the money that they took before letting them return.

 

I agree 100%. 

 

There can't be any moving on if the people who committed crimes won't even admit they did anything wrong.

[flicks1998 1,044]

The has been the ultimate game of chess won by the Duterte's/Marcos who will continue to wreak havoc on the country.

 

2010 onwards - mass misinformation and disinformation campaign set upon the Philippines, orchestrated in large part by the Marcos who used China, Filipinos, and Eastern Europeans for this .

2016 - Duterte wins and immediately starts threatening journalists, TV/radio stations, has some shut down, some arrested, etc.  Very similar tactic to Marcos Sr.

2022- BBM wins by a landslide through continued mass misinformation campaign.  Average age in the Philippines is 25, so they have no idea what really happened previously.

2022- Sarah Duterte allows Marcos to be President, but she takes the consolation price of VP but also gets thrown a bone to serve as Secretary of Education.  She will have full control to continue the misinformation campaign for the next 6 years.

2028 - Most likely Sarah gets her turn to be President and another Marcos will be VP

2034 - VP Marcos assumes the Presidency and the cycle continues.  

 

The main issue is that the 2022 campaign wasnt even close and it would take the country burning to the ground to change public opinion on those in power.  It is a very grim future for the country and if you thought the Philippines was a province of China during Duterte, the country will be owned by China after 6 years, most likely in subtle ways to not scare the public too much.

 

Misinformation, disinformation, and manipulation is far more powerful today then tanks, missiles, guns, grenades, etc etc etc.

 

 

[RO_AH 1,659]

22 minutes ago, flicks1998 said:

The main issue is that the 2022 campaign wasnt even close and it would take the country burning to the ground to change public opinion on those in power.  It is a very grim future for the country and if you thought the Philippines was a province of China during Duterte, the country will be owned by China after 6 years, most likely in subtle ways to not scare the public too much.

Yep. I am old enough to remember what Marcos did. Honestly Obama started the fracture with Philippines when he started talking down to Duterte in my opinion and pushed them towards China.  

 

27 minutes ago, flicks1998 said:

2022- BBM wins by a landslide through continued mass misinformation campaign.  Average age in the Philippines is 25, so they have no idea what really happened previously.

This is the biggest problem 

[Steve2022 41]

My wife said that times were not bad when Marcos was president.  People had jobs and could earn a living.   But WHY might this have been the case? Apparently they banned foreign ownership of most everything with the new 1987 Constitution that SOMEBODY concocted after they kicked Marcos out. What company is going to build a factory they can't own? Or branch out into a country where they can't control their new subsidiary? No wonder there are few jobs for poor Filipinos. The only people who profit from this arrangement are the oligarchs, as it keeps the cost of labor low. Duterte was only able get rid of the foreign ownership ban in a few industries, telecoms, airlines, and shipping. Let's hope Marcos can make more reforms like this and that he doesn't choose to usurp democracy like his father.  https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/05/the-grim-reality-behind-the-philippines-economic-growth/275597/

Edited May 13, 2022 by Steve2022

[Steve2022 41]

19 minutes ago, Steve2022 said:

Apparently they banned foreign ownership of most everything with the new 1987 Constitution that SOMEBODY concocted after they kicked Marcos out.

Apparently the relevant law was passed in 1991, and it was based on "principles stated in the Philippine Constitution".  https://www.duranschulze.com/the-60-40-equity-rule-on-owning-a-business-in-the-philippines/   

However apparently I didn't know what I was talking about becuase it says right there that if the company invests 200k then they can fully own their business.  I read Duterte got that lowered to 100k already. But isn't there still a ban on land ownership?  So you can own the building, but you can't own the land it is built on.  I'm guessing there are barriers to ownership that I don't know about yet that make it impractical, but I haven't figured this out yet. 

[Bugs 455]

As bad as social media is here in the USA, it is even worse in the Philippines.  Marcos’ re-election is a direct result of a dumbing down of society to the point that millions of sheep will hop onto even the most self-destructive hype train without giving any of it much sincere thought.

Edited May 13, 2022 by Bugs

[flicks1998 1,044]

10 hours ago, Steve2022 said:

Apparently the relevant law was passed in 1991, and it was based on "principles stated in the Philippine Constitution".  https://www.duranschulze.com/the-60-40-equity-rule-on-owning-a-business-in-the-philippines/   

However apparently I didn't know what I was talking about becuase it says right there that if the company invests 200k then they can fully own their business.  I read Duterte got that lowered to 100k already. But isn't there still a ban on land ownership?  So you can own the building, but you can't own the land it is built on.  I'm guessing there are barriers to ownership that I don't know about yet that make it impractical, but I haven't figured this out yet. 

The more you research, the more you will find out that the Philippines is not a great place to start a business as a foreigner compared to most other SE Asian countries, and for that matter, most Asia countries.  

 

Interestingly, besides the executions, tortures, and reeducation camps that Marcos Sr was responsible for, he can also be contributed to creating the OFW program.  The OFW program was actually quite genius (in a bad way) as the program was able to export many of the domestic economic problems, plus was a program to essentially get rid of the ambitious, vocal Filipinos who may stand in the way of his dictatorship.  Only when the economic situation became so dire, did the people eventually stand up and protest in '86, but at that point they had no other choice but to do so.  Poverty went from around 40% of the country in the early 1970s, to over 60% of the country by the mid-80's.  Today, the OFW remittances are over $30 billion each year.  You would think if an industry was bringing in that much money, it would be something to be proud of, but its not.  Its a continued way for politicians to export their problems, while essentially enslaving many of their citizens outside of the country.  It also leads to a terrible "brain-drain" where the best and the brightest are no longer in the country.  Until that is reversed, there is no hope for the economic situation of the country.  In addition, another 10%+ of their GDP is BPOs.  However, many BPOs are not happy with their operations in the Philippines and some have started to move to Malaysia, and even Indonesia of all places.  BPOs can quite easily be moved and have successfully jumped from the US/UK/Australia/etc etc to India, then to the Philippines now on to other countries where English is improving.

 

Marcos Jr has no policies on anything.  Essentially he has only repeated things that his Dad did.  Many Marcos Jr supporters will tell you that during Marcos Sr time, it was the "Golden Age" (which has proven to be false).  Many of todays Marco Jr supporters expect the 2nd Golden Age to appear.  However, ask any Marcos Jr supporter if they could have any job in the Philippines or that same job in the US/UK/Europe/Middle East/Australia/etc etc etc etc, most of them will take the overseas job.  All of them would leave the country at the first opportunity, except some who would not want to be separated from their family and friends, but not because they believe they will finally get the Golden Egg.  Marcos Jr won not only because of misinformation, but because he had the better, more funny tik-tok videos, the better and funnier Facebook posts, and as we all know and have seen, nowadays thats all that matters.

[RO_AH 1,659]

20 minutes ago, flicks1998 said:

The more you research, the more you will find out that the Philippines is not a great place to start a business as a foreigner compared to most other SE Asian countries, and for that matter, most Asia countries.  

 

Interestingly, besides the executions, tortures, and reeducation camps that Marcos Sr was responsible for, he can also be contributed to creating the OFW program.  The OFW program was actually quite genius (in a bad way) as the program was able to export many of the domestic economic problems, plus was a program to essentially get rid of the ambitious, vocal Filipinos who may stand in the way of his dictatorship.  Only when the economic situation became so dire, did the people eventually stand up and protest in '86, but at that point they had no other choice but to do so.  Poverty went from around 40% of the country in the early 1970s, to over 60% of the country by the mid-80's.  Today, the OFW remittances are over $30 billion each year.  You would think if an industry was bringing in that much money, it would be something to be proud of, but its not.  Its a continued way for politicians to export their problems, while essentially enslaving many of their citizens outside of the country.  It also leads to a terrible "brain-drain" where the best and the brightest are no longer in the country.  Until that is reversed, there is no hope for the economic situation of the country.  In addition, another 10%+ of their GDP is BPOs.  However, many BPOs are not happy with their operations in the Philippines and some have started to move to Malaysia, and even Indonesia of all places.  BPOs can quite easily be moved and have successfully jumped from the US/UK/Australia/etc etc to India, then to the Philippines now on to other countries where English is improving.

 

Marcos Jr has no policies on anything.  Essentially he has only repeated things that his Dad did.  Many Marcos Jr supporters will tell you that during Marcos Sr time, it was the "Golden Age" (which has proven to be false).  Many of todays Marco Jr supporters expect the 2nd Golden Age to appear.  However, ask any Marcos Jr supporter if they could have any job in the Philippines or that same job in the US/UK/Europe/Middle East/Australia/etc etc etc etc, most of them will take the overseas job.  All of them would leave the country at the first opportunity, except some who would not want to be separated from their family and friends, but not because they believe they will finally get the Golden Egg.  Marcos Jr won not only because of misinformation, but because he had the better, more funny tik-tok videos, the better and funnier Facebook posts, and as we all know and have seen, nowadays thats all that matters.

Great post!

[Steve2022 41]

2 hours ago, flicks1998 said:

won not only because of misinformation, but because he had the better, more funny tik-tok videos, the better and funnier Facebook posts, and as we all know and have seen, nowadays thats all that matters.

I have been shocked recently to hear some repeat some obvious and (in my mind) very false propaganda that they have apparently been exposed to.  Things are not much better in the USA with respect to availability of reliable unbiased news these days.  I do not argue a whole lot because it isn't worth it, and they may well figure out the truth sooner or later on their own.  If we Americans were such oppressive colonizers, worthy of lumping in with the Spanish, then why did we Americans free the Philippines from the Catholic Church and give them their first elections in 1907, sharing the Gift of Democracy that we were so fortunate to have been given?  Did we keep Japan as a territory to tax after they were conquered?  No, we gave them the Gift of Democracy, because that is all we ever wanted to do.  Not conquer, not colonize permanently, and only as much as required to share the Gift.  The seed of Democracy cannot grow in infertile soil that does not even know the Rule of Law because of centuries of oppression.  A certain nation-state which I shall not name is now working feverishly to overthrow democratically elected governments and replace them with dictatorships.  They have had successes.  Bot accounts on social media is how they do it.  Let's hope they won't be successful here.   I can understand Filipinos who just want to feel safe and secure from the hold-up men and other criminals, who really should be fed to the fishes in Manila Bay.   What good is due process when you can't hire a taxi without fear of being extrajudicially robbed?   Who can criticize others for their choices when we all have a God-given right to self determination?   But I do wish the Philippines had remained an American protectorate for longer, so that their Democracy might have been more assured.

Edited May 13, 2022 by Steve2022

[John & Rose 7,239]

On 5/9/2022 at 2:58 PM, RO_AH said:

I can't imagine any reason Filipino's would ever vote Bongbong in as president. I just can't believe it.

 

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/philippines-election-marcos-fortune/

They completely removed the truth from text books there.  I remember the news stories.  My wife and step kids say that Marcos was the greatest President in the history of the Philippines.  It wasn't martial law, it was cutting down on crime.  When I ask why he left they said they didn't know...It is scary how propaganda can erase the truth and brainwash generations.  They say Marcos never hurt anyone and he never stole anything and it was Aquino that made up all those lies.

Edited May 14, 2022 by John & Rose

[John & Rose 7,239]

21 hours ago, flicks1998 said:

The more you research, the more you will find out that the Philippines is not a great place to start a business as a foreigner compared to most other SE Asian countries, and for that matter, most Asia countries.  

 

Interestingly, besides the executions, tortures, and reeducation camps that Marcos Sr was responsible for, he can also be contributed to creating the OFW program.  The OFW program was actually quite genius (in a bad way) as the program was able to export many of the domestic economic problems, plus was a program to essentially get rid of the ambitious, vocal Filipinos who may stand in the way of his dictatorship.  Only when the economic situation became so dire, did the people eventually stand up and protest in '86, but at that point they had no other choice but to do so.  Poverty went from around 40% of the country in the early 1970s, to over 60% of the country by the mid-80's.  Today, the OFW remittances are over $30 billion each year.  You would think if an industry was bringing in that much money, it would be something to be proud of, but its not.  Its a continued way for politicians to export their problems, while essentially enslaving many of their citizens outside of the country.  It also leads to a terrible "brain-drain" where the best and the brightest are no longer in the country.  Until that is reversed, there is no hope for the economic situation of the country.  In addition, another 10%+ of their GDP is BPOs.  However, many BPOs are not happy with their operations in the Philippines and some have started to move to Malaysia, and even Indonesia of all places.  BPOs can quite easily be moved and have successfully jumped from the US/UK/Australia/etc etc to India, then to the Philippines now on to other countries where English is improving.

 

Marcos Jr has no policies on anything.  Essentially he has only repeated things that his Dad did.  Many Marcos Jr supporters will tell you that during Marcos Sr time, it was the "Golden Age" (which has proven to be false).  Many of todays Marco Jr supporters expect the 2nd Golden Age to appear.  However, ask any Marcos Jr supporter if they could have any job in the Philippines or that same job in the US/UK/Europe/Middle East/Australia/etc etc etc etc, most of them will take the overseas job.  All of them would leave the country at the first opportunity, except some who would not want to be separated from their family and friends, but not because they believe they will finally get the Golden Egg.  Marcos Jr won not only because of misinformation, but because he had the better, more funny tik-tok videos, the better and funnier Facebook posts, and as we all know and have seen, nowadays thats all that matters.

Perfectly stated.  100% true.  My wife says those are all Aquino lies!  LOL

[Adventine 3,196]

Well then, all the overseas Filipinos who believe Marcos Sr. was the greatest president of all time and that Junior's going to start a new Golden Age are free to go get jobs back in the Philippines.

[JoBri 548]

On 5/10/2022 at 4:34 AM, Commish10 said:

Exactly the same with my wife and her family.

Same for my wife and family. They strongly supported his dad