Confused by RFE Request

[EegretTenacious 4]

3 hours ago, Mike E said:

Interesting.  We provided just hotel and flight reservations and photos. No RFE for more evidence of physical meeting. But we had met 12 times in the two years prior and I suppose USCIS knew it would be futile if they RFEd for passport stamps,  visas, airline ticket, and hotel receipts.  

Yeah we were expecting to meet up with each other more then Covid came, it's actually pretty easy for us otherwise. I figured since we saw each other at least once though it'd be enough to file.  

[arken 4,197]

11 hours ago, EegretTenacious said:

Yeah we were expecting to meet up with each other more then Covid came, it's actually pretty easy for us otherwise. I figured since we saw each other at least once though it'd be enough to file.  

Is your beneficiary from Canada?

[JeanneAdil 6,704]

flight itinerarys don't prove a person got on the plane/ that's why we say boarding passes work better

the RFE is specific as to the dates they say March of 2019 to March 17,  2021 (2020 being a mess)

so,  when did u meet up? within that timeframe?

and no photos / not even selfie(s)?

is strange they way everyone uses the cell these days

 

Affadivats are almost useless unless USCIS says to send one

send the proof of payment for the hotel 

and the copy of I 94 and passport stamp(s)

[SalishSea 18,225]

20 hours ago, EegretTenacious said:

Plus, I didn't include my fiances passport ID with his stamps we photocopied so that might've thrown a wrench in things too. 

This is the reason you got the RFE.

[EegretTenacious 4]

20 hours ago, arken said:

Is your beneficiary from Canada?

Yes, he's a 6 hr drive away from me and 2hr from the border, but we put in money for flying here for convenience usually. 

[EegretTenacious 4]

17 hours ago, JeanneAdil said:

flight itinerarys don't prove a person got on the plane/ that's why we say boarding passes work better

the RFE is specific as to the dates they say March of 2019 to March 17,  2021 (2020 being a mess)

so,  when did u meet up? within that timeframe?

and no photos / not even selfie(s)?

is strange they way everyone uses the cell these days

 

Affadivats are almost useless unless USCIS says to send one

send the proof of payment for the hotel 

and the copy of I 94 and passport stamp(s)

Thanks for your advice!

 

Yeah boarding passes tend to be digital QR codes now and you can't access them once your flight departs. His passport stamps in USA should prove he did indeed get on the plane though, no?

 

And yes we met up Oct and Dec of 2019 and March 2020 right before the borders closed, but the March trip got nothing to show for it so I didn't bother including it. 

 

 As for the photo thing, neither of us are the type to take selfies or pictures of anything in general. But like I've said before it stung not having pics together when the borders were shut, so now we take tons like a "normal" couple but we're still just human beings you know. Some people are just not picture people and it's not unheard of for me to not actively plot an alibi when I'm spending limited time with my significant other you know.

 

 

 

Edited April 11, 2022 by EegretTenacious

[EegretTenacious 4]

17 hours ago, Jorgedig said:

This is the reason you got the RFE.

That would be excellent if that's the case. Here's hoping. Thank you!

[arken 4,197]

52 minutes ago, EegretTenacious said:

Yes, he's a 6 hr drive away from me and 2hr from the border, but we put in money for flying here for convenience usually. 

Frequent traveling between US and Canada is so common and for business or leisure that USCIS sometimes wants photographic evidences of having met in person. There was a similar post few months back. Good luck. 

[EegretTenacious 4]

1 hour ago, arken said:

Frequent traveling between US and Canada is so common and for business or leisure that USCIS sometimes wants photographic evidences of having met in person. There was a similar post few months back. Good luck. 

Good thing not a single user or moderator on this website put that in any of the guides and instead repeated dozens of times how useless photographic evidence is.

[Mike E 11,742]

49 minutes ago, EegretTenacious said:

Good thing not a single user or moderator on this website put that in any of the guides and instead repeated dozens of times how useless photographic evidence is.

I spent months lurking on VJ on 2017 and 2018 before filing I-129F and digested the advice and and somehow never got the impression photos were useless evidence. This is what the K-1 visa journey guide says:

 

1.

Copies of all airline boarding passes, train passes, itineraries, hotel receipts, passport stamps (make sure you can read the dates on the stamps), and other documentary evidence that you have met within the last two years. You may want to highlight or place post-it notes indicating the dates and locations on the copies (to make the adjudication easier) for the person reviewing your file.

2.

Color Photo's of you and your fiance together. Make sure you write your names, date, and location on the back of every photo. Provide two to five photo's. If you only have a single copy of the photo, then make a color copy and send that. If it is a digital photo, have it printed at a local photo store such as Walgreens (if at all possible) or if not on a high quality printer. Place photo's in a plastic bag or photo sheet and label the sheet. Note that you may not receive originals of photo's back.

 

The emboldened stuff above is what I focused on. I created a passive PDF that had a cover sheet for each meeting: dates and location, followed by airline ticket receipt, and hotel reservation. 

For each meeting I included 1-3 photos. This allowed the adjudicator to correlate the photos with the meeting. Looking at our evidence, I see one photo of the two of us standing in the Roman Coliseum in the required two year period.  There were other photos taken together but the backgrounds could have been any city skyline, beach, or ocean as opposed to a distinctive land mark. 
 

 It never ever occurred to me that we could be approved without photos  showing us together. 

Edited April 11, 2022 by Mike E

[Chancy 6,243]

28 minutes ago, EegretTenacious said:

Good thing not a single user or moderator on this website put that in any of the guides and instead repeated dozens of times how useless photographic evidence is.

 

Except that VJ's K1 visa guide actually does say to provide photos to reduce the chances of getting an RFE -- https://www.visajourney.com/guides/k1-fiance-visa/

 

[EegretTenacious 4]

2 minutes ago, Chancy said:

 

Except that VJ's K1 visa guide actually does say to provide photos to reduce the chances of getting an RFE -- https://www.visajourney.com/guides/k1-fiance-visa/

 

Yes I know it says to get photos. I can read, as I have been since I was taught. The condescending highlighted screenshot was 100% unneeded. 

 

This is the first time in my years of reading and participating on here have I ever heard of Canadians specifically requiring photographic evidence for the two year meeting requirement. Thanks.

[EegretTenacious 4]

6 minutes ago, Mike E said:

I spent months lurking on VJ on 2017 and 2018 before filing I-129F and digested the advice and and somehow never got the impression photos were useless evidence. This is what the K-1 visa journey guide says:

 

1.

Copies of all airline boarding passes, train passes, itineraries, hotel receipts, passport stamps (make sure you can read the dates on the stamps), and other documentary evidence that you have met within the last two years. You may want to highlight or place post-it notes indicating the dates and locations on the copies (to make the adjudication easier) for the person reviewing your file.

2.

Color Photo's of you and your fiance together. Make sure you write your names, date, and location on the back of every photo. Provide two to five photo's. If you only have a single copy of the photo, then make a color copy and send that. If it is a digital photo, have it printed at a local photo store such as Walgreens (if at all possible) or if not on a high quality printer. Place photo's in a plastic bag or photo sheet and label the sheet. Note that you may not receive originals of photo's back.

 

The emboldened stuff above is what I focused on. I created a passive PDF that had a cover sheet for each meeting: dates and location, followed by airline ticket receipt, and hotel reservation. 

For each meeting I included 1-3 photos. This allowed the adjudicator to correlate the photos with the meeting. Looking at our evidence, I see one photo of the two of us standing in the Roman Coliseum in the required two year period.  There were other photos taken together but the backgrounds could have been any city skyline, beach, or ocean as opposed to a distinctive land mark. 
 

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That's really, really cool, and I appreciate your help, but as I said before we do not have photos from that time period to give them, which is what my post is about. 

 

I cannot change the past. I am here asking for advice on how to proceed with responding to an RFE asking for pictures when we have none from that time period.

 

I'm getting frustrated because this is not the first time I've seen advice that's just "you should've" statements. That is not advice and needs to be filtered from these forums. 

 

 

[Ellie_7 103]

VJ has public forums and the "should have" statements can't change the past for an OP. But the "should haves" are invaluable for someone who's beginning a visa journey or planning to begin one, and who's reading through the forum, whether now or in the future.

[Chancy 6,243]

10 minutes ago, EegretTenacious said:

Yes I know it says to get photos. I can read, as I have been since I was taught. The condescending highlighted screenshot was 100% unneeded. 

 

Really?  Because here's what you said --

 

1 hour ago, EegretTenacious said:

Good thing not a single user or moderator on this website put that in any of the guides and instead repeated dozens of times how useless photographic evidence is.

 

How about dialing down the sarcastic and belligerent attitude?  People here are trying to help you and are spending time and effort to give advice for free.  That advice could be based on assumptions from similar cases and incomplete information as no one here can read minds nor have the clairvoyance to know all the details of your case.  Also, the advice that may not apply in your case, may be useful to others reading this thread and for whom it is not too late to avoid an RFE.