USC spouse born abroad, what should be used to verify his identity? (merged)

[Jordanian Bride 268]

Just now, pushbrk said:

No, sounds about right.  I usually recommend supporting documentation be limited to 20 pages.  You're pretty close to that.

I'll try to reduce the text messages and photographs to get closer to that figure.

[Mike E 11,742]

6 minutes ago, Jordanian Bride said:

1. Yes, however it is solved by the fact that our Jordanian-issued ENGLISH birth certificates omit the additional middle name (grandfather's name) that is absent from his US passport and CRBA.

This might be a problem.  I would expect USCIS or State will want to see a lawful change of name document. 

 

6 minutes ago, Jordanian Bride said:

 

But then the issue becomes that my English birth certificate doesn't have my additional middle name that my passport does. Lol!

You will need a lawful change of name document.  What name is on your marriage certificate?

 

6 minutes ago, Jordanian Bride said:

 

2. The name on his CRBA doesn't have his grandfather's name. So in Arabic it doesn't match, in English it does. Our Ministry of Interior provides the papers ready, no need for translation on our part.

The translation drops a middle name.  Seems like a problem.  

6 minutes ago, Jordanian Bride said:

 

3. Yes.

 

[Jordanian Bride 268]

3 minutes ago, Mike E said:

You will need a lawful change of name document.  What name is on your marriage certificate?

 

Marriage certificate has grandfather's name included in native language, dropped in English. (This applies to both of us.)

It's an advantage in that it matches his name in his US passport. A disadvantage in that it doesn't match my name in my foreign passport.

 

To summarize, his US passport doesn't have the grandfather's name. My foreign passport does, even in English.

Edited March 17, 2022 by Jordanian Bride

[Jordanian Bride 268]

11 minutes ago, Mike E said:

This might be a problem.  I would expect USCIS or State will want to see a lawful change of name document. 

 

Oh no, I hope this won't be the case. Would the same national identity number shared by my passport, birth certificate, and marriage certificate help in proving that I am the same person?

Edited March 17, 2022 by Jordanian Bride

[pushbrk 13,133]

31 minutes ago, Mike E said:

This might be a problem.  I would expect USCIS or State will want to see a lawful change of name document. 

 

You will need a lawful change of name document.  What name is on your marriage certificate?

 

The translation drops a middle name.  Seems like a problem.  

 

I don't see any of this as an actual problem.  USCIS and Consular Officers are aware of this common practice already.

[Mike E 11,742]

26 minutes ago, Jordanian Bride said:

Oh no, I hope this won't be the case. Would the same national identity number shared by my passport, birth certificate, and marriage certificate help in proving that I am the same person?

Hopefully 

[Jordanian Bride 268]

2 minutes ago, pushbrk said:

I don't see any of this as an actual problem.  USCIS and Consular Officers are aware of this common practice already.

I assumed that was the case. Thank you.... I hope it won't pose an issue.

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[Cathi 5,794]

7 hours ago, Mike E said:

This might be a problem.  I would expect USCIS or State will want to see a lawful change of name document. 

 

You will need a lawful change of name document.  What name is on your marriage certificate?

 

The translation drops a middle name.  Seems like a problem.  

 

Most likely not any problem whatsoever. My husband is Jordanian and he had several different spellings of his name(both first and last) on different documents depending on who translated them. There are letters in Arabic that do don't translate exactly to English due to the different alphabet and different translators translate them differently. It's a fact and it was never an issue at any point during my husband's journey.
Unless you are sure of an answer it is best not to answer at all because it causes confusion, anxiety and could cause mistakes to be made.

[Mike E 11,742]

5 hours ago, Cathi said:

Most likely not any problem whatsoever.

Ok. 
 

5 hours ago, Cathi said:

 

My husband is Jordanian and he had several different spellings of his name(both first and last) on different documents depending on who translated them. There are letters in Arabic that do don't translate exactly to English due to the different alphabet and different translators translate them differently. It's a fact and it was never an issue at any point during my husband's journey.

Transliteration differently between alphabets resulting of different English spellings of names isn’t the same as adding and dropping entire names. 
 

5 hours ago, Cathi said:

Unless you are sure of an answer it is best not to answer at all because it causes confusion, anxiety and could cause mistakes to be made.

This went from, “most  likely not any problem” (IOW possibly a problem)  to telling me to be silent, justified by an anecdote that doesn’t seem to have anything  to do with the thread.  Suffice to same I am confused by content and tone.  
 

I believe in getting ahead of a potential problem, as apparently does OP, and so I think my concerns were (and given OP hasn’t filed  I-130, potentially are still are valid) since USCIS might not be as conversant with Jordanian norms on names as the US embassy in Jordan.  
 

Visajourney is littered with original posts where differences in names triggered RFEs. For examples, 
 

https://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/538067-legal-change-of-name-certificate/

 

https://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/276025-uscis-wont-recognize-name-change-state-of-mn/

https://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/752808-rfe-name-difference/

 

 

https://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/636355-rferequest-for-evidence-first-name-mismatch-on-birth-certificate/

https://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/763112-filipino-middle-name-issue-again/

 

Yes I am sure that in  general dropping and/or adding entire personal names causes problems with DHS.  Apparently it is not a problem for Jordan, and this is now noted.  

 

[iwannaplay54 985]

18 hours ago, Jordanian Bride said:

Yes, my spouse is a dual Jordanian American citizen. I think I'll provide all these documents to be safe.

The names do not match 100%, unfortunately.... he has an additional middle name in his JOR passport.

This is a “other names used” issue

Passport names rule.

 

On the USC’s side proof of US citizenship is (all) that is required.  The US government does not care about anything else except for “other names used” on the applications