Iranian / Dutch B2 tourist visa refused because of no military card / no military exemption card !

[Boiler 45,514]

That is very odd. not come across this before or why it would be relevant

[millefleur 5,046]

59 minutes ago, AmirNL said:

no, 212 (G) 
she said, if you can prove that you have served in military or you have been exempted, we can issue your visa! all I need, she marked and wrote on the paper she gave to me !!!!

This is indeed strange, I've never come across a 212(G) for a tourist visa here on VJ. It must be a country specific thing to Iran. If you are a dual citizen, you must show some kind of paper or card or whatever they want to see. Did you contact the Iranian embassy in your country to see if they can help?

[JeanneAdil 6,505]

According to Iran's constitution, all men over 18 years old must serve in the military for about two years

 

Iran says all the expats who haven’t served their compulsory conscription can pay €15,000 ($17,000) to buy their freedom from military service.

A member of the budget committee in the Iranian parliament, Mohammad-Reza Mirtajodini, said the plan only includes the absentees who are living abroad and at least five years have passed from their conscription due date.

[millefleur 5,046]

7 minutes ago, JeanneAdil said:

According to Iran's constitution, all men over 18 years old must serve in the military for about two years

I understand that but plenty of countries have an obligatory draft and plenty of draft dodgers successfully apply for and get B visas without ever being asked for the military records. I think it's probably specific to Iran and for some reason the US gov't has flagged this, I've never heard of it happening in the RUB countries (all of which have conscription.)

[AmirNL 1]

2 hours ago, Boiler said:

That is very odd. not come across this before or why it would be relevant

I know! I am still in shock that I have been refused for that reason !

[AmirNL 1]

2 hours ago, millefleur said:

This is indeed strange, I've never come across a 212(G) for a tourist visa here on VJ. It must be a country specific thing to Iran. If you are a dual citizen, you must show some kind of paper or card or whatever they want to see. Did you contact the Iranian embassy in your country to see if they can help?

Well, I do not think they can or they do. relationship between Iran and America is very bad. there is no American embassy in Iran. and I do not think Iran would answer them 
 

[AmirNL 1]

1 hour ago, JeanneAdil said:

According to Iran's constitution, all men over 18 years old must serve in the military for about two years

 

Iran says all the expats who haven’t served their compulsory conscription can pay €15,000 ($17,000) to buy their freedom from military service.

A member of the budget committee in the Iranian parliament, Mohammad-Reza Mirtajodini, said the plan only includes the absentees who are living abroad and at least five years have passed from their conscription due date.

I know this rules but since 2019 there is no possibility anymore to buy your military service off ! The funny thing is, people without military card can apply for passport and enter the country under certain conditions but it is very risky. I am not the only one. I know so many Iranian abroad without military service card! 

[AmirNL 1]

1 hour ago, millefleur said:

I understand that but plenty of countries have an obligatory draft and plenty of draft dodgers successfully apply for and get B visas without ever being asked for the military records. I think it's probably specific to Iran and for some reason the US gov't has flagged this, I've never heard of it happening in the RUB countries (all of which have conscription.)

Well, I googled it little bit. The reason can be because of Iranian military is listed and marked as a terrorist organization since 2019 by Donald Trump and then by Joe Bidon. So, they need to make sure. If I have served for military or not... !!!!!!!!! But in my case, I did not even serve. I left the country. I fled the country and never back... 

[millefleur 5,046]

2 hours ago, AmirNL said:

Well, I do not think they can or they do. relationship between Iran and America is very bad. there is no American embassy in Iran. and I do not think Iran would answer them 

No, I think you misunderstood. What country are you in now? Does that country have an Iranian embassy? The idea is that you, as an Iranian citizen, can go there and ask about this military record. But if you're saying you fled the country and never served in the military, maybe they will not help you anyway.

 

2 hours ago, AmirNL said:

e reason can be because of Iranian military is listed and marked as a terrorist organization since 2019 by Donald Trump and then by Joe Bidon. So, they need to make sure. If I have served for military or not... !!!!!!!!! But in my case, I did not even serve. I left the country. I fled the country and never back...

Well, if that is the case and you cannot furnish this document, you will probably not get a visa until the Iranian military is removed from the list.

[African Zealot 1,455]

To attempt to answer your question, just be aware the real reason is she’s not inclined to approve your visa and had to find a reason. Asking for the military exemption card is just a convenient way to refuse you. There’s no guarantee she will issue you a visa even if you’re able to do so.

 

Your argument that you no longer have Iranian citizenship is moot to her, she knows Iranian immigration law that you remain an Iranian citizen. Provide her the information she wants (which she knows you cannot) and get your visa. You’re in a classic loop 🔁 situation.

 

Forget about getting a USA visa is my advice to you. The adjusted refusal rate for Iranian citizens is 86% so your chances are already bleak even without this complication. The reality is the USA doesn’t want Iranians visiting.

 

 

Edited March 1, 2022 by African Zealot

[JeanneAdil 6,505]

You also need to understand the Dutch rules

If you have more than one nationality, it is not always clear what your rights are. For instance, your country of origin may require you to do compulsory military service. The Dutch government wants to limit dual nationality as much as possible. If you have only one nationality, it will be clear what your rights are. That is why people who want to acquire Dutch nationality through naturalisation are, as a rule, required to give up their other nationality if possible. This is called the renunciation requirement.

 

It is up to every country to decide when their nationals lose their nationality. Greek and Iranian nationals, for example, cannot give up their nationality: it is not legally possible

 

https://www.government.nl/topics/dutch-nationality/dual-nationality

[Timona 4,207]

13 hours ago, AmirNL said:

I know this rules but since 2019 there is no possibility anymore to buy your military service off ! The funny thing is, people without military card can apply for passport and enter the country under certain conditions but it is very risky. I am not the only one. I know so many Iranian abroad without military service card! 

 

Is this legal?

[AmirNL 1]

56 minutes ago, Timona said:

 

Is this legal?

Yes, it is. All information about this exemption is on the official website of Iranian Embassy. depends on your past, history and criminal record of course, you can get a special passport and you can enter the country for a determined period of 3 month. But there are stories about people who tried and got stuk and caught there. So, it is a risky step

[AmirNL 1]

3 hours ago, JeanneAdil said:

You also need to understand the Dutch rules

If you have more than one nationality, it is not always clear what your rights are. For instance, your country of origin may require you to do compulsory military service. The Dutch government wants to limit dual nationality as much as possible. If you have only one nationality, it will be clear what your rights are. That is why people who want to acquire Dutch nationality through naturalisation are, as a rule, required to give up their other nationality if possible. This is called the renunciation requirement.

 

It is up to every country to decide when their nationals lose their nationality. Greek and Iranian nationals, for example, cannot give up their nationality: it is not legally possible

 

https://www.government.nl/topics/dutch-nationality/dual-nationality

true. my issue is that I am Dutch but American embassy does not treat me as a Dutch citizen. that is frustrating... 
I am pretty sure they know this rule you just mentioned. there are certain countries that do not agree this rules like Iran

[AmirNL 1]

6 hours ago, African Zealot said:

To attempt to answer your question, just be aware the real reason is she’s not inclined to approve your visa and had to find a reason. Asking for the military exemption card is just a convenient way to refuse you. There’s no guarantee she will issue you a visa even if you’re able to do so.

 

Your argument that you no longer have Iranian citizenship is moot to her, she knows Iranian immigration law that you remain an Iranian citizen. Provide her the information she wants (which she knows you cannot) and get your visa. You’re in a classic loop 🔁 situation.

 

Forget about getting a USA visa is my advice to you. The adjusted refusal rate for Iranian citizens is 86% so your chances are already bleak even without this complication. The reality is the USA doesn’t want Iranians visiting.

 

 

I know. it is true what you say. I have had the feeling that the reason was something else.
But I am wondering what if I wanna live there with my American girlfriend. Would they still look for a reason to refuse my visa ?