Iranian / Dutch B2 tourist visa refused because of no military card / no military exemption card !

[AmirNL 1]

Hi everybody,

My B2 tourist visa has been refused recently because I have no military service card and no military exemption card ! 
I am Dutch of Iranian descent ! 
I have no Iranian passport and nationality anymore. (for almost 10 years) 
During the interview I was asked about my military card or exemption and I explained that I do not have because I did not even serve in the military ! but she kept asking for it !

 

Anyone any idea what I can do?!!!?!?!?!!?!!

Edited February 28, 2022 by AmirNL

[SalishSea 17,970]

24 minutes ago, AmirNL said:

Hi everybody,

My B2 tourist visa has been refused recently because I have no military service card and no military exemption card ! 
I am Dutch of Iranian descent ! 
I have no Iranian passport and nationality anymore. (for almost 10 years) 
During the interview I was asked about my military card or exemption and I explained that I do not have because I did not even serve in the military ! but she kept asking for it !

 

Anyone any idea what I can do?!!!?!?!?!!?!!

That was not the reason for the denial, even if it seemed to be so.

 

Most B denials are due to immigrant intent.   Having an Iranian background could also impact the decision.

[millefleur 5,047]

57 minutes ago, AmirNL said:

My B2 tourist visa has been refused recently because I have no military service card and no military exemption card ! 

If they didn't accept the explanation that you simply cannot access this card, I'm not sure what the solution is.

 

What was the official reason for the denial? Did they give you a piece of paper with an explanation?

[Boiler 45,731]

I thought it was impossible to relinquish Iranian nationality?

[millefleur 5,047]

19 minutes ago, Boiler said:

I thought it was impossible to relinquish Iranian nationality?

That's a good point. Just because you haven't had a passport for 10 years doesn't mean you are still not a citizen of that country. If you did not formally renounce it or have it revoked, you are still considered a citizen.

[AmirNL 1]

1 hour ago, Jorgedig said:

That was not the reason for the denial, even if it seemed to be so.

 

1 hour ago, millefleur said:

If they didn't accept the explanation that you simply cannot access this card, I'm not sure what the solution is.

 

What was the official reason for the denial? Did they give you a piece of paper with an explanation?

Most B denials are due to immigrant intent.   Having an Iranian background could also impact the decision.

Yeah, she gave me a paper and she asked again for military service card or military exemption card !?
I said, I never served in military , so how can I get that  !? 
She said, think about it !!!

[millefleur 5,047]

3 minutes ago, AmirNL said:

Yeah, she gave me a paper and she asked again for military service card or military exemption card !?
I said, I never served in military , so how can I get that  !? 
She said, think about it !!!

If you're still considered a dual national with Iran, then you may have to provide it. Did you ever formally renounce Iranian citizenship?

[AmirNL 1]

3 minutes ago, millefleur said:

That's a good point. Just because you haven't had a passport for 10 years doesn't mean you are still not a citizen of that country. If you did not formally renounce it or have it revoked, you are still considered a citizen.

Well, according to Iranian law and rules, Because I was born there, I am an Iranian and I remain an Iranian for ever and it has nothing to do with other nationality. Iran is one of the countries in the world that has this rule and Iran does not accept dual nationality

[Boiler 45,731]

1 minute ago, AmirNL said:

Well, according to Iranian law and rules, Because I was born there, I am an Iranian and I remain an Iranian for ever and it has nothing to do with other nationality. Iran is one of the countries in the world that has this rule and Iran does not accept dual nationality

Did you declare your Iranian citizenship?

[AmirNL 1]

1 minute ago, millefleur said:

If you're still considered a dual national with Iran, then you may have to provide it. Did you ever formally renounce Iranian citizenship?

Yes, I did. I told her. 
her problem and her point was
Iranian men must have military service card or exemption card. This is security issue and this is visa related condition ! 
She did not believe that I did not even serve ! I explained her that I fled the country ! I have no Iranian passport or nationality anymore ! I have got only Dutch and you can see it 

[AmirNL 1]

1 minute ago, Boiler said:

Did you declare your Iranian citizenship?

No, I have no Iranian passport anymore ! She asked for it too! 
She doubted my Iranian nationality as well because I heard her saying that to her colleague and her colleague said: "you can call a Iranian translator to check my Iranian accent and language'

[Boiler 45,731]

So on your DS160 you declared your Iranian citizenship?

[AmirNL 1]

Just now, Boiler said:

So on your DS160 you declared your Iranian citizenship?

Yes, I had to 

Because they ask, have you ever had another nationality ! and where were you born ... so, they knew already...

[Boiler 45,731]

Presumably you were given a 214b refusal

[AmirNL 1]

1 minute ago, Boiler said:

Presumably you were given a 214b refusal

no, 212 (G) 
she said, if you can prove that you have served in military or you have been exempted, we can issue your visa! all I need, she marked and wrote on the paper she gave to me !!!!